SPEAKER_00 0:00

I haven't seen a movie this bad in probably two years. I knew that this was I knew it was either I I certainly didn't expect you to come on and say anything favorable, but I'm call it's total BS. So anybody that's listening, don't listen to Mike. Don't listen to the critical reviews that you're seeing. This is an enjoyable film.

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You're listening to the O Brother Podcast. Real Brothers, Real Talk.

SPEAKER_00 0:30

Welcome to the O Brother Podcast. I'm your host, Dan Smith. Alongside me as always, my brother from the same other Mike Smith. Hey Dan, is that you?

SPEAKER_02 0:39

Hey! Just uh going through my adventures of Superman with Super Dog. Superdog crypto? Crypto at the bottom. It says to come back by popular demand.

SPEAKER_00 0:53

Is that like action comics? What is that?

SPEAKER_02 0:55

Yeah, this is DC. This is like the official What uh issue is that? This is issue 287. 287. Where'd you get that, by the way? I have a couple of boxes somewhere.

SPEAKER_00 1:11

Kind of randomly?

SPEAKER_02 1:12

Randomly.

SPEAKER_01 1:13

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 1:15

But some are probably worth some money.

SPEAKER_00 1:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:18

Because I have a lot of number ones.

SPEAKER_01 1:21

Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:22

Who does number two work for Lost in Powers reference?

SPEAKER_01 1:26

Which I hear we're gonna get another Austin Powers, it sounds like is Yeah, that's what they're saying.

SPEAKER_00 1:30

Maybe in the in the in the works. So we are here to talk about Supergirl. Before we do, Mike, who would have thought, who would have thought just a short many months ago that you would be looking at this kind of a haul. I know. For you did good. Physical media. You know, the as we record this, we're in the midst of the Criterion 50% off sale. Tell folks a little bit about that who may not know.

SPEAKER_02 1:59

Twice a year, Barnes and Noble does a month-long sale of Criterion discs that are in stock. So, like for instance, they they announced uh a Kubrick box set for 600 bucks.

SPEAKER_03 2:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:17

But that's not on sale because it's not coming out for like a few months. But anything that's out there you can get a 50 off, and as you did, you went to the store, which it's really hard to walk out of there empty-handed.

SPEAKER_00 2:34

Very hard. I had more than this in my cart, of course. Sure. Did you pick up anything yet? Not yet. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 2:42

I picked up a good haul last time.

SPEAKER_00 2:45

Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 2:46

And there's only a couple on my list.

SPEAKER_00 2:49

So So you're talking, you know, these are 50 bucks typically, and you're talking 25 bucks. I'm picking these up for.

SPEAKER_02 2:56

25, and if you get the Blu-ray, it's 20.

SPEAKER_00 2:59

Yeah, I got most of these, all but one, are 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray editions. And I picked up The Wiz, which is one of my favorite movies from when I was a kid with Diana Ross and Michael Jackson and so forth. Uh so I picked that one up. A History of Violence by Cronenberg film, which I hadn't seen in quite some time. Great film with uh Vigo Mortensen. So I'm looking forward to I have that. And and you know, part of my decision making was like, hmm, okay, future episode. We haven't done this film on the podcast yet. I was like, that was factoring in. And Mike, how could I not finally just go ahead and get seven samurai by Akira Kurosawa? I mean, it's a must. It's a must. It's a must.

SPEAKER_02 3:41

And then So is Citizen Kane, which I don't think.

SPEAKER_00 3:46

I already had that. Oh, I thought you didn't have it. No. I already got that a lot. You don't have it, which is surprising.

SPEAKER_02 3:53

No, I do. I have it. Oh, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_00 3:56

I thought you had said you have to pick it up. Then I got uh The Princess Bride, which I've never actually seen from top to bottom. So this will be good, you know, maybe a little uh tribute to Rob Reiner at some point. We'll we'll cover that one.

SPEAKER_02 4:10

I have that, but not in 4K.

SPEAKER_00 4:13

Okay, all right. Somebody might want to do a little change out there because this thing's loaded. Yeah. And also, I had to pick up this isn't 4K, but I had to pick up the Criterion sex lys and videotape.

SPEAKER_02 4:29

You know, I was gonna buy you that one last sale. Yeah, but it was out of stock.

SPEAKER_00 4:36

And as I told you, this was the last one they had.

SPEAKER_02 4:39

And I was there to find.

SPEAKER_00 4:41

Early morning, first day, pretty much, and it was already gone.

SPEAKER_02 4:45

So even on their site, because Criterion uh has a website, and that's what I do. I go to the website, look at what's coming, what what what's out. They've got about what, a hundred 4K now in their collection. There's a lot. There's a lot, yeah. And I usually go to the list, make my own list, and Amazon often will counter the 50% off.

SPEAKER_00 5:11

Yeah, I looked it up and they were running equals. So I was like, man, I'm just gonna get it while I'm here. Right. And uh there's quite a few people there. It was it was cut pretty, pretty busy there. So a lot of other physical media collectors that were on site. But so yeah, that was, I mean, for the I picked up five, and like you said, it's going on for a while. So going on for a month. So could be a few more in the collection coming. Yeah. But we'll have to add some of these to our Criterion playlist that we've done a handful of Criterion reviews on the podcast before. So but that of course is not why we're here. We're here to talk about Supergirl, which we did a first look on the teaser about three months ago. Then we did another first look on the full trailer that had come out a couple of months ago. And here we are talking about the film. I saw it on opening day, uh, and I think you just saw it today, I believe. No, I I saw it preview night on Thursday. You did end up going Thursday. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:12

Okay, okay, yeah, you talked about that.

SPEAKER_02 6:14

It's a funny story as I was leaving. There was only about it was four people, a family in the middle, and there was me on one side and this other guy with a notebook on the other side. And as we passed each other on the way out, I get headphones to enhance the audio. He saw me holding the headphones, and he said, I bet those headphones didn't really help.

SPEAKER_00 6:45

What what does that imply?

SPEAKER_02 6:48

He I think he was the critic for the the uh Boston Globe. Really? Meaning what we just saw probably wasn't hand was not enhanced by better audio.

SPEAKER_00 7:00

I see, I see. So I think you're tipping your your hand here, which A little bit. Well, let's let me let me let me say up front now. We we had w we were we'd been skeptical of this from early on. When we first saw Supergirl appear at the end of Jane Gunn's Superman film, we were yeah, we weren't loving the portrayal in that short sequence at the end of the film. Now we also had said, and and many folks thankfully had come out and educated us on why we were seeing her in that way. Right. Why she was being portrayed that way, because we didn't know her origin story as we do Clark and you know Kellel. And so, you know, it it made more sense to me once we got sort of educated on uh more of her origin story from the comic lore, at least.

SPEAKER_02 7:52

Right. And yeah, that's why I jokingly with the like we don't read the comics, so don't hit us with this is accurate to the comic number 862 or whatever the hell. I don't have to. I shouldn't have to see a comic because there is a comic, uh, Supergirl, the world of tomorrow, that this is based on. Woman of tomorrow, I think. Woman of tomorrow. Yeah, yeah. And correct. You know what I mean? I had a running dialogue about halfway through till the end of the film. Should I stay? Should I go? Should I stay?

SPEAKER_00 8:28

I did should I go? I I didn't. I I and in fact, I said if if if this turns out where you come in and you're just slamming this film, it's it's you can't justify that. It now is it a great film? No, it's not a great film. Is it not a great film?

SPEAKER_03 8:42

It's a horrible film.

SPEAKER_00 8:43

It is, it is, and and it is. It this is a good, as we've said on the podcast before, a good popcorn film. There's there's absolutely in fact, this is a better film than Superman, for sure, in my opinion. And it's getting it's getting thrashed by the critics. It's getting thrashed unnecessarily. And I'm gonna go to my the to the to my death arguing in support of the film. Again, I'm not gonna sit here and say this is a spectacular film. It's not. It it has its issues.

SPEAKER_02 9:16

I haven't seen a movie this bad in probably two years.

SPEAKER_00 9:19

No, I knew I knew it was either I I certainly didn't expect you to come on and say anything favorable, but I'm calling it's total BS. So anybody that's listening, don't listen to Mike. Don't listen to the critical reviews that you're seeing. This is an enjoyable film.

SPEAKER_02 9:36

And one of the pay attention to the reviews, pay attention to the box office because it tanked.

SPEAKER_00 9:42

Got nothing to do with it. We've said got nothing to do with it. And again, if that's going to be your only litmus test, it's the box office receipts. Yeah, but you're saying that. Yes, it is. No, you're saying one of the things. It's been 16 reviews. Look at the box office since when do you put merge? Since what no, they don't. Since when do you put any stock in the box office?

SPEAKER_02 10:06

When a movie's when a movie's scheduled to do 70 million and it barely does 35. I pay attention to that. When a movie cannot a a big big movie like this can't take one week at the box office away from Toy Story 5.

SPEAKER_00 10:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:27

Are you kidding me?

SPEAKER_00 10:28

Does doesn't mean it just doesn't mean it's a terrible story.

SPEAKER_02 10:32

It's a terrible movie. The stories are so mangled. There's three different stories.

SPEAKER_00 10:37

It's a very clear, it's a very clear story. It's a very clear story. It's not. It absolutely go ahead and tell me why it's a convoluted story. I I can't wait to hear you explain how it's a convoluted story. It's very, very clear-cut. It's a story of vengeance between not only her character, but this character, Ruthie, that's played by this young actress.

SPEAKER_02 10:58

But it's not about vengeance for her. It is because no, it is absolutely. Yes, it is. For her.

SPEAKER_00 11:04

It's spoiler alert, by the way. Crypto, you know, that that plays a big part of the story here.

SPEAKER_02 11:11

One of the stories. That's the problem. It doesn't know what story to follow. First, we we get crypto getting shot by an arrow, which a quote of hers is like, This is the bitch whose dog you shot. I don't want Supergirl saying a line like that in a big budget movie. Okay.

unknown 11:35

Right?

SPEAKER_02 11:36

Continue. Then this girl, for some unknown reason, wants her to be her role model. And a quarter of the way or half the way in the movie, she says, You're good. You're nice. What did we see that suggested there's any good in her, that there's any nice? No, she's she's just angry, bitter. She throws up the first half of the movie more than she does anything else. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:06

She throws up. That's totally out of context, first of all. That's not that yes, that that that's a good person. It's a specific plot point you're talking about where she's poisoned and she has to, she's trying to get sick so that she can not succumb to the effects of this poison.

SPEAKER_02 12:26

That's that's one plot point, but she's also going specifically specifically to places without a yellow sun, so the alcohol will take effect in her body.

SPEAKER_00 12:38

Right, exactly. Because of what her traumatic background, which with we go back and we see that right with crypto.

SPEAKER_02 12:49

Totally changes Superman's. No, it doesn't. No, it doesn't. It does. No, it doesn't rewrites. No, it doesn't. It does rewrite it.

SPEAKER_00 12:58

Krypton still met its demise in the original Superman. Give me a break. How does it totally rewrite it? You're so ridiculous.

SPEAKER_02 13:08

Because we know from all every other Superman movie, even James Gunn's Superman movie, that Krypton explodes and it's gone. Now all of a sudden, Krypton dies a slow death over 10 years. Okay, Krypton dies.

SPEAKER_00 13:27

That's the point. What are you picking nits with how it dies? That's not being picking. I think all of a sudden gotta be uh gotta adhere to the lore because he's such a staunch comic guy. If you're not gonna listen to anything I say, I'm just damn.

SPEAKER_02 13:44

I'll just listen to you. It is try to convince me that this is anything but a listen.

SPEAKER_00 13:51

Okay. Ease up. First of all, there was nothing wrong with Millie Alcock's portrayal here at Super And I was one of the ones. No, it wasn't awful.

SPEAKER_02 14:01

It was awful.

SPEAKER_00 14:02

It was not awful. You coming on here just to be a contrarian number drama. Yes, you are. There's nothing about her portrayal that you can say.

SPEAKER_02 14:19

You could have. And I really I should have. If I knew this was going to be the reaction to you weren't going to listen to any of my points.

SPEAKER_00 14:27

I wouldn't at my time. I'm listening to your points. You're not making any good points.

SPEAKER_02 14:32

I start to say something, you start talking over. Go ahead, just like you say. Go ahead. There's three different stories. As I said, there's this one bad guy who's ridiculous, okay, who lives in some dystopian kind of universe where she comes to and Krypton gets shot. Okay. So she has three days or three suns or whatever moons, whatever it's called, to get an anecdote for crypto. Okay. That's one story. The other story is this girl who I have no care about. I don't know who she is. I don't know what she is in the comic book lore that looks up to Supergirl, the drunk, and she wants to be like her. And then somehow, with all her baggage at the very end, she says, no, don't kill the bad guy, because that won't revenge won't do it. Even though I've sought my revenge my whole life, don't do that. It w the stories were just all over the place.

SPEAKER_00 15:42

It wasn't. You talked about two plot points, and they were about as clear as they could be. And that's why I said these two girls, the the young girl is seeking vengeance against this villain Krem, who was not, there was nothing wrong with that villain. Not the most arrest.

SPEAKER_02 15:59

So the guy who talked me out of watching Aquaman. Yeah. You think Jason Momo was good in this film?

SPEAKER_00 16:07

Have I even commented on his character yet? No. No, I'm just saying he was a big part of the film. Well, why make an assumption? I haven't gotten there yet. Let me get there. Let me get there.

SPEAKER_02 16:17

Well, you already liked the movie, so you must have liked him. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:21

I didn't, I didn't love it. I didn't hate it, but I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it. I had a decent time. Now, Jason Momoa, I think that character Lobo, which again, you know, we talked about in the first looks, you know, it it's a character that that obviously, again, from the comic book lore, we had no familiarity with.

SPEAKER_02 16:43

And he wasn't in this particular, I looked it up. He wasn't in this particular comic. So they had to like wedge him in there.

SPEAKER_00 16:50

He didn't say it was okay, but it I again, I think his character could have been I think he could have been more menacing and maybe less comical, you know, a little less Jason Momoa in the character, but it wasn't as bad as I'd expected it to be. Again, it wasn't great. It was one of the weaker It was one of the weaker things I've done.

SPEAKER_02 17:13

I mean, the cigar looked like one that you would get at a a you know, five and dime.

SPEAKER_00 17:19

That was part of the again, look at the character in the comics. That's I'm not gonna do that. Don't tell me look at the comics. Okay. The the the the costuming of the characters is out of the comics. Supergirl, Superman, it all comes from the comics. So don't say, oh, don't tell me that. I'm just saying that's like representative of his look. But I don't know. And the character comics.

SPEAKER_02 17:42

You don't need to know that for the colour.

SPEAKER_00 17:44

But for you to be picking nits about the cigar is so absurd. It's so it's just so ridiculous. It is for me to say that.

SPEAKER_02 17:51

It literally lights up. It's yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:53

But I thought it was very it was certainly smart for them to use the dog. And I had said on the first looks, they're gonna get me with the CGI dog. And they did, you know, it was cute. And that's that's the only sort of confidant, ally, or friend, whatever, that the Kara has in the universe. You know, they're she's had them since she was a puppy, and you see a little bit about how they came together, but you know, setting that up to where he gets hit with this poison dart, and then, you know, this villain crimp.

SPEAKER_02 18:28

Why was he in the first movie as Clark's dog? Like, how do you just not Clark? It's really her dog.

SPEAKER_00 18:36

Well, that that comes later. That comes later. He's older. How does that come later? He's older. Because she she has him as a puppy and he's growing up with her. Simple. Easy message. It doesn't make any sense at all. It it does. Again, you're just looking for nits to pick. But but that I I think the the use of crypto, you know, as an emotional plot point. And this is twice you've been way off. What what am I off on?

SPEAKER_02 19:05

You're championing Mandalorian. Which people are my camp on that one.

SPEAKER_00 19:12

No, they're not. No, they're not. They are. No, they're not. First of all, the audience on this is like 77, which is, yeah, that's about right. That's about right for this film. Where it isn't right. 56% with the crit okay. All of a sudden, you're giving all this credence to the critics. I I love how that's convenient for you to I've said this before.

SPEAKER_02 19:34

So convenient. When when they're all bad, take notice of that.

SPEAKER_00 19:39

They're not all bad. They're not all bad. That's the point. You're just saying that because it's convenient to your argument. But the average is 50. Yeah, listen, for those that are curious or wondering, again, not saying you're gonna go and see a fantastic film, but it's an enjoyable popcorn film. And you know, one other thing too. I thought about this after I saw the film. Well, you feel free to sign off if you want. I can continue talking. You should. Go ahead. I I could care less. I can certainly continue to do this without you. The I think it was important, I realized as I left there, I thought, you know, to just come out and rail on the film would be easy to do. But, you know, I I think this is I don't know. There's something to be said for, you know, younger.

SPEAKER_02 20:30

Why would it be easy to do if it was such a good film?

SPEAKER_00 20:33

I don't know. That's what I don't know. I mean, we did the same thing. We weren't guilty of that to say, well, I don't know. We saw two segments of her at the end of Superman. I don't know. Because I think we were biased about our our criticisms about James Gunn. And we didn't like Superman. That was clear from our review of Superman. We were both on the same page with that. So I think we went into this, and this is far worse. We went, no, it isn't. We went into this far worse. You know what is far worse than this is Superman. We could have done without Superman in this film at all. He didn't need what what purpose did he serve? Nothing. So I think, and I I just still don't like Corin Sweat's Superman, his portrayal of Superman.

SPEAKER_02 21:18

He's in it because he's the only thing bankable. I mean, this should cost Saffron and Gunn their jobs.

SPEAKER_00 21:28

No, I that's that bad. It's not that bad.

SPEAKER_02 21:31

And the next film is Clayface, which I can't wait. That's probably gonna be something at the bit for Clayface. Yeah. And they moved up Superman 2 because of the reception of Superman 1.

SPEAKER_00 21:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:47

Otherwise, that wasn't going to be in the universe for a while.

SPEAKER_00 21:50

Here's here's some of the things that I I didn't love. I didn't like I didn't care for some of the comedy. I I thought some of it was a little crude. There was a Character, this little, and there were too many alien characters, too. Like I'm not used to that many alien characters, which I get it. They're in they're on different planets. So we we should certainly expect it, but we've not really seen that in Superman.

SPEAKER_02 22:14

But this was like every place was the canteen.

SPEAKER_00 22:17

It kind of was, and I I didn't love that. It was a little weird for me, but there was one that was, I think, voiced by Seth Rogan, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah. And there was a couple of lines that were just puppet. They were just crude, you know, and uh and I the CGI was it was a little hit and miss for me, although I think her flying honestly was better than what we saw on Superman, because that got a lot of criticism with the way that Corin Swift looks. That's right. But you know, there's a reason for that. What about this this and again, spoiler alert, but this sequence towards the end of the film where there's a kill at the hands of Supergirl, which is something that we've really, as far as I know, we've not seen on screen before. Certainly not in a Superman film, where it's quite ruthless and pretty brutal. I think I was checked out by that point. It was her versus the versus Krem in this sort of showdown sequence. And, you know, the and and and like you said, she's talking the she's she's talking the young girl out of because because again, this guy killed the young girl's parents. That's why she's out for revenge. And then of course, you know, the the the the poisoning of crypto is why Paris is out.

unknown 23:45

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 23:45

Why do we have any problem with it? She had as much screen time as Millie Ellen's.

SPEAKER_00 23:50

Yeah, she does. Eve Ridley. And this is her first feature film, but I thought she held her own. I thought she was, she was a she did a good job. I looked like her first film. No issues with her. Yeah. No she her performance was not bad. It was not bad. There was nothing wrong with her performance. It was. There's nothing wrong with her performance. Again, you just want to say that to just say the whole thing stunk. And so far you really haven't given many. I I have.

SPEAKER_02 24:15

I've gone over the the three different stories that don't line up, right? You got this creme story, you've got the crypto story. That's the one. It's all part of the same story. No, it is.

SPEAKER_00 24:28

Yes, it is. That's the problem. Creme is the one who crypto. That is one story.

SPEAKER_02 24:35

Yeah, tell one story. There's a second story where he also kills why does he have to kill her parents?

SPEAKER_00 24:42

So they that's why they come together, those two characters, and they never should have. Yeah, and and and it's the whole thing of Supergirl, as you said, you can't seem to wrap your head around it, but why she ultimately ends up looking up to her, that's it. It's to bring those two characters together. It's it's no more complicated than that.

SPEAKER_02 25:01

Yeah, but you're gonna waste a half hour or more of my time telling that story. I when you're introducing a major character. Didn't think it was a waste. It's not a universe yet. You got Superman and you've got Supergirl.

SPEAKER_03 25:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:23

And so far, neither one of them have done anything for me. These are bad movies, not bad comic movies. No, it's not true.

SPEAKER_00 25:31

Bad movies. It's not true. And I and and and I think, you know, I'm in the camp with the folks that are saying, listen, don't don't listen to it. If you're looking for, you know, a fun movie, if this is certainly if this is a character that you're interested in or you've liked from the comics, I mean, for sure.

SPEAKER_02 25:48

But if you had a go to this movie?

SPEAKER_00 25:52

Absolutely I would. Absolutely I would. In fact, that's what that's a lot of what I've seen. And that's what Yeah, that's why. That's a lot of what I've seen is young girls going to the theater with their parents or their moms or whatever. And it's another reason I was trying to make the point that, you know, you oh, why would it be easier to rail on it? I don't know. I'm not in that camp. It would be easy for me to come on here and sort of take the stance that you thought I would have taken based on what we talked about in the first looks, but that wasn't my experience seeing the film. And I thought, you know, for young girls who are going to the theater for the movie for young girls who are going to this theater to see a role model in a superhero film, why shouldn't they have a character that they can look up to and they can enjoy going to see a film about them? Right? It's like, and and and I think that's that's important to point out.

SPEAKER_02 26:49

I'll take the cowgirl from Toy Story 5 to look up to her, not this character.

SPEAKER_00 26:56

That's great. That's great. Well, you do that. You do that. You look up to a young animated uh Jesse Cowgirl, and uh the rest of uh you know young girls will look up to supergirls. But to get a better role model. Okay, again, you're you're discounting the whole traumatic origin story of Kara. That's the whole reason. She's like that for a reason. We were both critical of it until you learn more about why she's that way. She's that way because of what happened to her family, to her loved ones, to her planet, to, you know, as opposed to Clark, who, you know, basically grew up in Utopia. You know, he came to Earth as a young kid. He had the exact grew up in Kansas. No, we didn't.

SPEAKER_02 27:43

He didn't exact same upbringing as she did. No, we didn't.

SPEAKER_00 27:46

No, we didn't. He was a baby when he was sent to Earth. He had no idea what happened back back home.

SPEAKER_02 27:53

So now you're agreeing with me that they totally changed the backstory. No, I'm not. I'm not. Either Krypton exploded or it didn't.

SPEAKER_00 28:05

No, what I'm saying is Krypton for Kry Krypton meant to be. Who cares if it blew up or it, you know, it it sl did a slow death over time? That's irrelevant. The point is, in fact, that's maybe truer.

SPEAKER_02 28:21

It changes the canon of the.

SPEAKER_00 28:23

Which is probably truer to the canon. And and you, uh, of anybody or not anybody to comment on that, this is where we'll get folks that'll comment on the video who know the lore, whether it's the comic. I mean, again, we usually are just commenting on the film franchise lore. But those that know the true origin story. Yeah, but I don't want to know that. That's fine. Then don't know that. But you can't sit here and argue it unless you say, well, I can argue it from a film standpoint, absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 28:53

And that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_00 28:54

But that's not what you're doing. You're just generalizing and saying it's ridiculous.

SPEAKER_02 28:58

Well, maybe not. I yeah, if if it's true to the comic board specifics. No, you haven't. Yeah, I have. That is convoluted. That is so ridiculous. This looked more like a Star Wars film. This was no, it didn't. This was better. This was so more Star Wars films. Right.

SPEAKER_00 29:20

You're just a negative bump on a log. You just couldn't you can't enjoy yourself. In fact, you know, it it's it's another example for me of of I'm realizing that I'm I'm enjoying going back to the theater more or more, which is kind of interesting. We talked about that on, I think, the previous episode.

SPEAKER_02 29:38

So many better films to see.

SPEAKER_00 29:41

Yeah, like what? What have you seen that's out in the theater lately?

SPEAKER_02 29:44

Well, I just mentioned nothing. You could have seen the number one movie.

SPEAKER_00 29:47

You didn't see it.

SPEAKER_02 29:49

I haven't. And I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_00 29:50

So we don't know if it's good or not. You don't know if it's good or not. I got a pretty good idea. Oh, just a given. It's a given.

SPEAKER_02 29:56

No, I got a pretty good idea based on based on the reviews, based on the box office. The same things I'm basing this film on.

SPEAKER_00 30:06

Weren't you the same co-host who was arguing in favor with me about the fact that you can't just rely on box office receipts as the true measurement of success of the film?

SPEAKER_02 30:16

But when they all line up, you're telling me this isn't a tank job. You're telling me this isn't a tank job. No, I'm not. Okay, so it's not a tank job. So it's a tank your meeting tomorrow with the Warner Brothers, you're gonna go in and say it didn't tank. Well, like, yeah, it only did half what we thought it was gonna do.

SPEAKER_00 30:40

It's not what I said. Again, if you're going based on box office only, yes, it ha but it's been it's one weekend.

SPEAKER_02 30:48

But you've it's one and the others are no better.

SPEAKER_00 30:52

Okay, well, they still made it after Superman didn't crack a billion. It barely made over 600 million. Well, they still came out, they could have shelved this and they didn't.

SPEAKER_02 31:02

They should have, and and I'm telling you, when the merger when the merger happens, I wouldn't want to be anywhere near gun or saffron.

SPEAKER_00 31:11

Yeah, they'll be just fine.

SPEAKER_02 31:12

I wouldn't be able to be just fine near them. They are going out.

SPEAKER_00 31:16

Yeah, I mean, whatever. They're gonna be fine. Their careers are gonna be fine. But I think to to the the bottom line for me is to portray this as a complete garbage film is unfair to the film. It's unfair to the people that worked on the film. It's unfair, and I can say this now to Millie Alcock, who, again, were kind of critical of the little that we saw of her in the trailers. I I liked the portrayal. I liked what she brought to the character. And and I'm one who said back when The Flash came out and we reviewed that, I like Sasha Cali's portrayal. And I thought she kind of got the short she kind of got the short end of the scene. She was supposed to be in this film. She was supposed to be. She wasn't supposed to be.

SPEAKER_02 32:00

Well, that's what the setup was.

SPEAKER_00 32:02

I think she had hoped that that was going to be the case. Well, until James Gunn took over. It was the setup.

SPEAKER_02 32:08

But yeah, but that hasn't been for So again, I can point the finger to James Gunn, thank him for this. Well, he he didn't direct the film. You've done nothing to convince me that this is okay.

SPEAKER_00 32:20

I'm not here to convince you. I'm not here to convince you. I enjoyed the film. I had a good time. I'm probably gonna see it again. I'm probably gonna see it again. Now, I will say in full transparency, I did have a free ticket. So I'm just putting that out there. So maybe it it stung a little less, but no, I didn't hate it. I absolutely didn't hate it. And I would absolutely have come on here and said if I did. But that's one thing we've always said. Not gonna just come on here and pretend this or that, whether it's I like it or I don't like it.

SPEAKER_02 32:49

But I'm telling you right now, I think the irony is this is a I said this is a good, it's a it's a decent film.

SPEAKER_00 32:57

It's a decent film. Yes, it is. Yes, it is it is trust me. All of the Supergirl fans, please comment on the video and and and try to have a lot of people. You're gonna get the comic people, and you're gonna just get this.

SPEAKER_02 33:12

That's not true. I'll take the heat. No, but your arguments are pretty weak. No. They're pretty weak. You're no stronger than mine. Nothing.

SPEAKER_00 33:21

You've said nothing. And you've said nothing to convince me. You've said nothing to convince me.

SPEAKER_02 33:28

So you liked hearing her wretch and throw up for 10 minutes of the film. Why are you focusing on like two minutes of the film?

SPEAKER_00 33:36

And I already explained longer than that. You're taking it out of context. I already explained for those listening and watching what that was about. She had been poisoned and she was trying to make a separate time.

SPEAKER_02 33:48

That wasn't for the first time in the bar where she was just drinking to get drunk.

SPEAKER_00 33:55

Okay, but she wasn't she wasn't vomiting at that point. She was just getting shit. She was. She's trying to forget her cares. Again, she's been through a lot. That's why she's on a red plan. That's why she's on a red sun planet. That's that's who I want to do. That's what she was doing is a role model. She was portraying alcoholism. Give me a break. You're such an idiot. You want to you want to pull up how many other films that we've talked about where there's other content and storylines like that? You're just you're just a negative, sour individual. That's all it is. But that's okay. You didn't like it as we always that's your opinion, and that's okay. You don't have to like it, but it's okay that I did. That's always been the point of these conversations. You didn't like it, but you're angry that I did like it. You're angry that I like you like.

SPEAKER_02 34:46

You've done nothing to convince me. I'm not trying to convince you.

SPEAKER_00 34:50

That's not my job. My job is to come on here.

SPEAKER_02 34:53

If it's such a good movie, you should be able to convince her. No, that's not nothing.

SPEAKER_00 34:59

That is no, I shouldn't have to. Because I've tried to talk about the things that I thought were positive. You don't agree, that's fine. That's the state of the world today, my friend.

SPEAKER_02 35:10

This goes beyond, like there's a world where, yeah, you have your opinion, I have mine. But there's also a word where world where a bad movie is a bad movie. And this is not a bad movie.

SPEAKER_00 35:24

And this is a bad movie. It's not. And again, it's it's not a little harmful. Have a little courtesy for the you know, thousands of people who worked on this film, not just the the principal cast and all the you know all not just the celebrity.

SPEAKER_02 35:40

Yeah, I'm not gonna give them a break on this one. You should they did nothing to to to give me enjoyment.

SPEAKER_00 35:49

Well, that's that's unfortunate. I feel bad that you didn't enjoy it. I I'm sorry that you didn't enjoy it. But again, my job is not to come on on here and convince you. It's not to come on on here and convince anybody else. All it is is to share what my experience is and whether I like the film or not. That's it. You can agree with me or not. End of story. That's it.

SPEAKER_02 36:08

For me, when a movie's this bad, it's not. I think it's my responsibility to say it's real. Nobody's looking to you for that. Waste your 20 bucks.

SPEAKER_00 36:18

Nobody's nobody's uh looking to you for that. So don't worry about it. Trust me. And people will make up their own mind, no matter what we say. Regardless of your opinion, my opinion. They're gonna make their make up their own mind and and see it or they won't see it. You know, that's it.

SPEAKER_02 36:41

Nor have you. Nor have you.

SPEAKER_00 36:44

You you've just come on here emotionally. Yeah, you've nor am I. I made the same counterpoints to everything you said, and that's it. You just you just don't like the fact that I disagree with you. That's it. That's it. Yes, it is. It is. You assumed I was gonna come on here and hate it, like you, and we just rail on it, and that would be fun. And we've done that on films before, but this is not the case here. But see, I'm not gonna do that.

SPEAKER_02 37:12

That's the irony. I went in open-minded, wanting to like it.

SPEAKER_00 37:17

I even said that to you. No, you didn't.

SPEAKER_02 37:19

I did.

SPEAKER_00 37:20

Even I'll admit I didn't.

SPEAKER_02 37:23

You would say that because I said it to you.

SPEAKER_00 37:26

You this win open-minded.

SPEAKER_02 37:29

It's you told me I'm I have a tough time. You told me I'm gonna have a tough time going into this with a positive mental. And I said, I'm going in hoping for a good film. So don't turn around and say, Oh no, you went in trying to hate it, wanting to hate it.

SPEAKER_00 37:48

I think it was in the back of your mind. I think it was because you said right from the beginning, oh, I had a conversation. Should I stay or should I go? You know, it was all negative.

SPEAKER_02 37:57

Halfway through the movie. Rewind it. You don't listen to our podcast because halfway through I said it.

SPEAKER_00 38:04

Are you sh me? You're the one that doesn't listen to our podcast. You don't even know we have an audio podcast. That's the truth. You're like, oh, it came out already? Yeah, it came out a day before you thought it came out. It's not a video podcast, it's an audio podcast, folks. Listen, again, you're you're we we agree to disagree. That's okay. I'm not hurt by it. Like, I'm gonna sleep fine tonight, no problem. And that's okay. There's plenty of people, if you go online or what plenty of people that like this film. Again, 77% on Rotten Tomatoes. I'm sure you expected it to be way lower than that. That's actually pretty respectable considering what you've said.

SPEAKER_02 38:44

Yeah, well, let's let's also tamper that a bit because not a lot of people have seen it. We know by the box office numbers, it tanked. It's been one weekend.

SPEAKER_00 38:55

It's been one weekend.

SPEAKER_02 38:57

Type box office into your phone. What comes up? Supergirl falters, supergirl doesn't fly, Supergirl tanks. Right. One after the other.

SPEAKER_00 39:08

But but that but that's confirmation bias. You can just as easily see the same counterpoints, which I've seen online. It men and women saying they like the film, they brought their kids to the film, et cetera, et cetera. You know, it to think to say nobody it liked the film or nobody's enjoying the film, it's just ridiculous. It's it's ludicrous. No, that's ludicrous. And I'm one of them. I'm one of them. I almost came on here with a supergirl shirt. That really would have had you steaming. I'm glad I didn't do that. Good lord.

SPEAKER_02 39:38

The phallic uh cup. Another private moment in Supergirl lore.

SPEAKER_00 39:44

That has nothing to Okay. For real. That's got nothing to do with the film. Okay, so so the whoever made this ridiculous souvenir cup, yeah. Did they make a horrendous mistake? Absolutely. Is it offended? Superman was offended by it. It's got nothing to do with the film or the people in the film. No, it doesn't.

SPEAKER_02 40:09

Responsible for that are the same creative forces responsible for this terrible. No, they're not.

SPEAKER_00 40:15

They are not. One has nothing to do with the other. What a specious argument that is. That's so ridiculous. Well, sorry you didn't like it. Um, I'm not gonna ask you if you have any other commentary on the film. I think it's pretty clear. So there you go. Completely split, folks. And this is one we absolutely gotta hear from people. And whether you liked it or you hated it like Mike, weigh in. Let us know. We want to hear you. Drop some comments on the video. You can't take it? Okay. You can't take it.

unknown 40:48

No.

SPEAKER_00 40:49

Who cares?

SPEAKER_02 40:50

Because I'll throw the movie education at you.

SPEAKER_00 40:54

You haven't thrown anything at anybody. Yeah, I did. You haven't. You said nothing. We'll see. Well, again, I thought Billy Alcock's uh portrayal was was fine. I had no issues with it. The young girl, uh Eve Ridley, who plays Ruthie. Again, you can argue the the purpose and and and the the value of having that character in in this film, you know, whatever, but um I didn't have any issue with her acting in the film. Again, Jason Momoa, you know, I I'm always hit and miss on him anyways. Uh I'm not his biggest fan. Uh he wasn't terrible. It's certainly one of the weaker things in the film for me for sure. Uh again, not knowing that character, I don't know how true his portrayal is to the character from from at least the lore.

SPEAKER_02 41:47

What was it doing in this movie? What was it doing in the movie? I don't know. What purpose did it serve? I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 41:54

You know, Jason Momo is a big star, so what do you want? Maybe they thought that that was going to bring more people to the to the to the theater, which is a very good thing.

SPEAKER_02 42:02

No, that's so far it has added those lenses with Clark to try to get people that liked Superman.

SPEAKER_00 42:08

And those were and for me, the the the the sequences with him were but some of the weakest sequences. I don't like him as Superman. I I didn't like and when when I see him as Superman, again, it's this goofy, you know, slapstick kind of portrayal. And I'm just gonna be a little bit more than a lot of people. He's a better Superman than she is Supergirl. No, he's not, actually. She's he's not. It's just not it's just not true. Um and again, you didn't like the villain Krem, but I I did. I thought that guy's portrayal was pretty good. He was pretty menacing, he was definitely ruthless. Like, I mean, there was like kids being killed, like that's that's pretty intense stuff to see on on film, especially in a superhero film. But you know, I had no problem with the acting. I didn't think the story was convoluted as you describe it to be. That just wasn't my experience with it. Uh, I thought the emotional beats worked. There was also there was this cool sequence, I forget when it comes into play, but where she's out in space and there's just like everything goes quiet. She just screams into space. And there was there was some good some good sequences. And again, the CGI was hit and miss, but I did like the portrayal of her flying. I thought, you know, in the Superman movie, there was a lot of criticism of that and how that looked on film. And you pointed out it came late in the film, which is fair. Um, you know, we don't really see her suiting up as Supergirl until like the last third of the film. What I didn't know until like the last third, the last 15 minutes. Yeah, maybe the last yeah, it was pretty late. It was pretty late, yeah. Generous. And they were kind of teasing that whole thing about her wearing the costume. And what I didn't know is that some of that fabric that makes up her cape was taken from the fabric that made Christopher Reeve's cape in the original Superman. It's a little tip of the hat. So you can't even you can't ever respect that, which is sad. But what does that do for me? What does that do for me? Whatever. Just whatever. All right, folks, there you go. It's pretty clear-cut here. So let us hear what you think, whether you liked it or not. Drop some comments on the video, or if you're listening to the podcast, as Mike is not. There's a link in all the descriptions of the audio podcast where you can drop us a text and you can communicate with us that way. You can get all of our contact information on the website, hbas and brotherpodcast.com, and you can reach out by email, or again, just drop some comments on the video or on uh social media on Instagram. But that's definitely gonna do it for this Supergirl episode of the Yo Brother Podcast. I've been your host, Dan Smith, alongside me as always, my brother from the same mother, Mike Smith. I don't know. I'm gonna say we'll probably see you next time, but the the jury is out on that one. Maybe. Bye everyone. Bye everyone.