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You're listening to the O Brother Podcast. Real Brothers, Real Talk. Welcome to the O Brother Podcast. I'm your host, Dan Smith. Alongside me as always my brother from the same mother, Mike Smith. Hey Dan, I think we're like the post office.

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A matter rain, sleet, snow, surgery. We put on a show. We put on a show.

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The show must go on. Yes.

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Must go on.

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That's true. Yeah. This is uh we're pushing up tight against our deadlines here to get this one out. Um and and I think we'd both seen this movie like several days ago, so it's like, let's get this one in in the can.

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Yeah, let's get it in the can where it belongs.

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And why do you gotta why do you gotta why do you gotta go there like so immediately? You got Mike's like, okay, I gotta head out. It's that no, it's just that bad. Here comes low energy mic. Here we go on the O Brother Podcast. You wanna start us off? This is a great up start to the episode.

SPEAKER_01 1:02

You want me to set it up?

SPEAKER_00 1:03

No, I'll I'll take care of it as I usually do. So we're what what were we gonna do? I forget. What we were I forget what was in the slot. It was gonna be the criterion. It's gonna be the Cohen brothers. Correct. Right. Which it will be next.

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Right.

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And and this was new, so we thought Yeah, because that we had been going down this, you know, 80s hole. Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:29

I was getting so Pollyanna, I was making myself sick. So this came along at a perfect time.

SPEAKER_00 1:36

Yeah. So, anyways, there's there's this new film on Apple TV, came out uh early April called Outcome, which is a film that uh Jonah Hill wrote and directed, uh starring Canor Reeves. You know, so the best thing about it is probably that it's an hour and 23 minutes long. See, you're you're with me. Okay, but let's let's stick to what we've said in the in the some recent episodes where we've kind of reminded ourselves that you know there's there's a crew of people and and the talent obviously that you know they work hard to put these films out, and we don't want to come in and just blast it, but I this is not a film I can come in here and and recommend that people see. I just wouldn't do that. But you know what's wild, Mike, to this is a film that should have worked, but it didn't.

SPEAKER_01 2:35

The premise, you know what? Does it remind you of this film? The unbearable weight um weight of massive talent with Nick Cage. Nick Cage played kind of a a version of himself, but you know, not real. And this was Canna Reeves playing, like whenever you hear of nice guys in Hollywood, Can O'Reeves' name always comes up.

SPEAKER_00 3:06

Yeah, and and so this is basically about a Hollywood star that is sort of coming back. Hawk. Reef Hawk, cool name, very cool name. And he's kind of been on hiatus dealing with a drug problem that he's had in the last five years. Yep. And as he's coming back into the spotlight, there's this videotape that's discovered. And Jonah Hill, who plays his, what does he call him, his crisis lawyer?

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Which is a thing, by the way. Yeah. That's not made up. A lot of talent have crisis managers. They're not necessarily lawyers.

SPEAKER_00 3:46

Yeah.

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But, you know, w just one little correction is we think there's a tape out there. It's not certain. He doesn't know. There's a rumor of a tape, and it sends him down this crisis road to get ahead of it. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_00 4:06

Yeah. Well, they don't know they don't know what's on it. And and so, like you said, I guess it's it's a rumored he's being blackmailed, essentially. So he goes on this what they call an apology tour, you know, to everybody who he may have wronged or or mistreated in the past, in case they happen to be the ones that are blackmailing him, including his mother, played by Susan.

SPEAKER_01 4:29

It's kind of like a 12-step uh program where you get to the point of making amends. So he's going to the people in his life to make amends. And, you know, I should say up front, Keanu Reeves is just fine.

SPEAKER_00 4:46

There's nothing wrong with his acting. Another great tagline, log line from Mike. Yeah. Outcome. Terrible movie. Keanu Reeves is just fine.

SPEAKER_01 4:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:56

No, I I liked him. Well, here's here's one of the best things about it is again, I the it's a good premise, but and and with Keanos starring, as you said at the top, you think of people in Hollywood that are essentially unscathed in the tabloids and such, it just seems like what you see is what you get, right? And we've seen this in countless videos of him out in the world and things that he's done to come to people's rescue and all of this sort of stuff. So it's a it's a perfect casting to put him this kind of juxtaposition but b of who he is in real life and who this character is on in the film.

SPEAKER_01 5:42

Yeah. And uh again, the premise seems, yeah. It it it's so similar to this. And and I think you've kind of maybe forgotten it a little bit. To what? To the unbearable weight of massive talent. It's the same premise, only a different scenario where Keanu's playing a version of himself. And you know, it's it's fictitious. Well, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 6:10

He's not like that guy. He's playing no version of himself. He's not like this guy at all in real life. Not at all.

SPEAKER_01 6:15

Well, I think the likability part, absolutely, like you just mentioned. There's stories out there of him, you know, getting sidetracked on a plane and they had to take a bus for four hours and he leads but he's a celebrity.

SPEAKER_00 6:31

Right, right. Okay, that's the only parallel that you can draw between the two.

SPEAKER_01 6:36

Yeah, but have you ever heard a story of him in a negative light?

SPEAKER_00 6:41

Oh, that's what I'm saying. The only thing is it's a celebrity that people that people like. That's the only connection between King Anu and Reef Hawk. That's it. Yeah. There's no other connection whatsoever. Because he's he clearly has been a bit of an a-hole over the years.

SPEAKER_01 7:00

Yeah, and they kind of the way they unveil that at the end is criminal because they don't really show it. You kind of hear the audio. Um what are you doing? I just hated the way I I hated the ending. I hated all of it, to be honest, except for Keanna Reeves. And if jo like I like Jonah Hill, who doesn't like Martin Scorsese, who doesn't like Cameron Diaz? You think with those names, this is a I when I flipped it on, I'm like, oh, this is a can't miss.

SPEAKER_00 7:42

And it missed. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:45

And why did it miss though? I think it it a it just it's old. You know, the victimhood of Hollywood is kind of stale at this point. B, I think it's poorly written. And I have to put that on Jonah Hill. Well and Jonah, no matter how fast you say your lines, they're not any funnier.

SPEAKER_00 8:08

Ezra Woods, uh, he co-wrote it with his partner, Ezra Woods. Right.

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So it was co-written.

SPEAKER_00 8:14

I wouldn't lay that off all off on him. So yeah, I think that's probably fair. I think that's what I'd have to point to because this again, you mentioned Scorsese, even Susan Lucci, they have two of the best performances in the film. Like the sequ, the sequences that they are in is really good acting.

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Really?

SPEAKER_01 8:37

I agree. Susan Lucci was magnificent. And it was, it should have been funny. I should have laughed, but I wasn't laughing.

SPEAKER_00 8:47

And I don't I I again I had trouble, and I've seen it, I've run through it a second time fairly quickly, but I just kept trying to figure out, okay, what is it? Well, how why is this missing? And then there's other things, whether or not this is why, but it's it's okay, from a directorial standpoint, no issues there, although they're using this LED wall technology, like the volume, right? And and but it was I mean, okay, you've got this vibrant image throughout the film, these really rich colors and this kind of pastel look and all that. But it looked fake to me. It it did. It went too far to create this kind of dreamlike state that we were in.

SPEAKER_01 9:35

Or it felt like a green screen the whole time to me.

SPEAKER_00 9:41

Ironically. Yeah, ironically, because that's exactly what it's not supposed to do. Exactly. But I think that was one of the things that worked against it. Uh you mentioned the writing, I'd agree with that. Even the even the score, it was kind of odd. Like there would be these really cool 80s tunes plucked, you know, plopped in here and there. But then there was a soundtrack that was like circus music or something, and it just it was really yeah, it didn't fit. Some bizarre choices. So that kept taking me in and out of it. And uh now Cameron Diaz is is in this film, and she and Can are reuniting. They haven't been in a film for what, 20, 30 years or something, Feeling Minnesota.

SPEAKER_01 10:27

Correct, which I have no, actually, I have the private My own private Idaho. My own private Idaho, which I think is his most courageous performance. But yeah, Cameron and him worked. Scorsese worked with Cameron on Gangs of New York. He worked on Wolf, he directed Wolf of Wall Street, Jonah Hill. So this felt like some friends getting together, like like Jonah calling in a few favors.

SPEAKER_00 10:59

Right. Which, and again, I don't know if that worked against him or not, because there's a lot of David Spade has a cameo in it.

SPEAKER_01 11:08

And again, David Spade delivering his lines faster didn't make it funnier.

SPEAKER_00 11:18

No, it didn't. It didn't. And again, I think some of that is because it's set against this, it just like you said, look fake. It didn't look like a real world, which I guess in some way you could argue that's somewhat of the point, right? That's the on Malibu and you know, the the LA sort of lifestyle and so forth. But it was funny, the very opening of the film is supposed to be, you know, because Reef Hawk is a is a child star. Child star. But they show that famous clip of Joey Lawrence on the Joey Lawrence. On the Johnny Carson show. That was pretty funny. It's a real clip. Yeah, it's a real clip of him when he was about five years old, supposed to be Reef Hawk. I thought that was pretty funny. Um and they they there's also this theme of you sort of hit on it there, this um uh with social media, this attention culture. Um and I think they call it victim capitalism, and you know, where this whole blackmail storyline comes into play. And yeah, I guess maybe that is a bit played out, I suppose. But um and and you think that's what the film's about, right? You walk away thinking, oh, okay, that's what it's about. Because there's also these shots of Keanu throughout the movie constantly checking, Googling himself, right, which were kind of funny at times. You know, he's at one point I think he typed in, is Reef Hawk an A-hole.

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Right, right.

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But they would just keep the results kept coming up positive.

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Yes. That's it.

SPEAKER_00 12:51

But this paranoia, right? This paranoia.

SPEAKER_01 12:54

And that's why I kept saying, you know, is this real? Or, you know, they want 15 million. There, that's the ransom for the tape. But he says pretty clearly, I've never been on tape, I've never, you know, done anything, blah, blah, blah. Well, you know, they do a little twist at the end, but you know, talking about tone, Dan, he his two best friends are Cameron Diaz, and I don't know the other actor, to be honest with you.

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Matt Bomer.

SPEAKER_01 13:26

Okay. So at one point in the film he gets really cruel and goes off on them and and really gives uh especially her a tongue lashing and it just didn't fit. And then ultimately he realizes that the two people most important to him he's apologizing to all these other people, but his two best friends he never even thinks about apologizing to.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:00

So that didn't that was a big It didn't land. It took me right out of the movie.

SPEAKER_00 14:06

Yeah, it didn't land. Uh you know, there's a scene where Jonah Hill's character, um, what is that, Ira? Ira Slitz. Yeah is some of the names. Did you look at the credits to look at some of the names? You know, I didn't. There's a character who, you know, spoiler alert, but it comes into play at the very end of the film. But the character's name is Affridge White Guy. Oh, it's pretty funny. But but Jonah Hill in the scene is putting his kid in his car. His kid is in a wheelchair, as I recall, and he puts him into this accessible van and they drive off. And as the car as the van drives off, there's a bumpish sticker on the back of the van that says, honk, if you can separate the art from the artist. And I said, Oh, you know, that's something we've been talking about on the podcast for a while now, which which it is about that too. There's there's parts where there's some commentary about that, right? Because in Joe and Ira's office in this high-rise building, this office that he has, there's portraits of uh Kanye West on the wall, Kevin Space. That was pretty funny.

SPEAKER_01 15:22

You see what I mean? Like it should have worked. I agree. I wanted it to work. I agree. Even the characters, Marty Scorsese, it's not a cameo. He does a couple of pretty long monologues.

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Right.

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And I'm listening to the content and I'm like, this should be funny.

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Yeah.

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But it's not.

SPEAKER_00 15:44

Yeah, there's a whole scene. Laverne Laverne Cox is in it too, and there's this whole boardroom scene with Ira talking about, you know, he's hired this dream team of crisis managers, right? Attorneys and PR people and whatnot. And it's a pretty funny sequence, actually. You know, what I what took me by surprise was in that scene that I'm talking about is where we learn the meaning of the film's title outcome. And I'm not going to elaborate on that. You can look it up, but I so it can be quite crude, let's say, at times. Right. You know, it's definitely a dark comedy.

SPEAKER_01 16:23

Like, this is one of those films where please listen to us and save your life for an hour and a half.

SPEAKER_00 16:31

Yeah. So I was thinking about that. You know, we kind of the main purpose of the podcast, right, is to turn people on to films that they may not be familiar with, right? Review some classics and just some maybe lesser-known films that, you know, we think people might be sleeping on, but also to maybe save you some time and perhaps some money. Uh, you know, because yeah, this is one I you know, again, I hate to say it, but I just wouldn't recommend it. Now, this is one where I'm right in line with the with the ratings, Mike. IMDB I didn't even look. I this is pretty bad. IMDB has a metascore of 37. Uh, Rotten Tomatoes Critics, 28%, and the audience 30%. The audience actually went down from the time I wrote it originally. I had to I had to edit that.

SPEAKER_01 17:21

You know, and how shocking is it that the critics metacritic score for this is the same as the Metacritic score from Michael, pretty much.

SPEAKER_00 17:33

Yeah, that's true. It's close. Yeah, I think you're right. That was like 38. Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy. So what what do you think could have made the film more enjoyable? What what could have helped fix this, Mike, in your mind?

SPEAKER_01 17:47

I don't know. You know, it's I'm kind of in your camp where I'm thinking this is should be funny. This is a good premise. You got the right people. I like all the actors. I don't like them any different because this film sucks. But it just it just doesn't work. And I I you know, let me see.

SPEAKER_00 18:13

I think I think what you I think the story I think the writing is part of the thing we have to point to the most because again, I didn't have an issue really with the performances. I just think what the story around them just wasn't strong enough to carry it. I really think that's that's what it comes down to.

SPEAKER_01 18:33

And you've got Keanu doing his usual I I would just you know, it made me go and watch a couple of John Wick films. I wanted to clear the palette. And he's kind of the same, you know, he kind of gives off the same mojo other than the fighting when he's talking to somebody. Um but here he's just not given the material that makes it funny. And like I said, some of the Jonah Hill stuff, maybe if he they weren't, and it was obvious this was something they did on purpose. Let's let's say it fast. Let's say it really, you know, let's keep the pace really going. I don't know why.

SPEAKER_00 19:19

Yeah, it did have that, it was edited in that way.

SPEAKER_01 19:23

And you know, Marty Scorsese at the end does a monologue, and he's going 90 miles an hour. And it it just doesn't work. And I don't think that's the problem in and of itself. I just think the stor like this movie with Nick Cage is okay.

SPEAKER_00 19:44

Are you are you getting uh money for that? This is the third recommendation. I should. This is the third recommend you've put up here for this.

SPEAKER_01 19:50

I haven't recommended it. I should get money because it wasn't that great. But on the level it's supposed to work, as you're supposed to believe, Nicolas Cage is kind of playing a version of himself, you know, with Pedro Pascal. It kind of worked.

SPEAKER_00 20:08

Yeah. This doesn't work at all. Right. I think that's a I think that is a good comparison to make because all the ingredients were here. They were there. He had all the ingredients. And that's the thing. I'm not hating on Jonah or the I mean, obviously he's got street credit as a as a comic actor and a writer and everything.

SPEAKER_01 20:29

He, I mean, and and a lot of people think, you know, it's more about him than Keano, because he was a child actor.

SPEAKER_00 20:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:37

You know, I mean, he was like, what, 12 and 13 when he was working with Michael Serra. And extremely funny. If you've ever seen him on SNL, he's always a hit. He's a funny guy.

SPEAKER_00 20:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:51

He's kind of entered a new, he's got this new look.

SPEAKER_00 20:55

Yeah. No. Not the look in the film, which is crazy. He looks insane in the film. It's a weird.

SPEAKER_01 21:01

But in real life, he's changed his look quite a bit. He's been yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:06

He's 42 now. You know, he's not a young kid anymore. So he's actually living down in San Diego, Mike. Well, no kidding. He moved out of LA. Yeah, he wanted to raise his kids. Maybe we'll be neighbors and he'll put a hit out on me. Yeah. But there were some things, you know, some elements of the film, like what they were trying to go for with this whole, you know, victim capitalism type of thing. Uh there's a line where, you know, at the end, ultimately he's Iris says to Reef, you know, just pay the money. Because Reef is struggling, going, This isn't right. It's not just. Right. I didn't do anything wrong, you know, and I shouldn't have to. And he's like, and he calls it Ira says, I got them from 15 million down to 35,000. He goes, It's a forerunner, man. It's a forerunner. It's a cosmic tax, is what he said. Right. Which is a great line. It's a great line.

SPEAKER_01 22:01

It is a good line.

SPEAKER_00 22:02

But yeah, it's just a Real bummer. You know, Drew Barrymore has a cameo in it. There's some other, you know, fun cameos in it, but all in all, yeah, it's just a swing and a miss on this one, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_01 22:15

I could not wait. And and you you said it. It's under 90 minutes.

SPEAKER_00 22:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:22

It felt like two hours.

SPEAKER_00 22:25

I could not wait for the end. Yeah, I didn't, I didn't I didn't think that. I mean, it was I I could tell it was quick. But let me ask you this though. We talked uh briefly about the LED wall technology, you know, this kind of volume type uh filmmaking that we're seeing a lot of now. It's not brand new, you know. I uh obviously people, the Mandalorian in 2019 is when I think that's when it really started to explode and we could really see what it could do. But I'm just curious your thoughts, you know, I because you gotta imagine we're gonna continue to get more and more films using this technology to make them, first of all, right? And then couple that with AI in terms of acting and actors and deep fakes and all of this sort of stuff. I just this morning, Mike, there was a like CBS Sunday morning video on YouTube or something about the Rolling Stones new song they released. And their video, it's all AI. It's all them like in their twenties and it's all deep fake and everything else. And so I gotta imagine I gotta imagine you're gonna be saving money ultimately, right? If you're making the film that way. Of course. Not that it's cheap technology, but you know, you're not going from location to location, and et cetera, et cetera, on and on. What are your thoughts about that? If if if if the reality is that we're likely to see more and more films made in this way.

SPEAKER_01 23:51

I'm really, to be honest, I'm really frightened of AI and what it's gonna do to creative people, um, that they'll you know uh kind of look at you sent me a video of a graduation speech where whoever was the valedictorian was given a speech and she mentioned AI. It was one of the deans. Oh, it was one of the deans. Yeah, and the crowd starts booing. Right. And um who's the actor from Top Gun? Tom Kilmer that died.

SPEAKER_00 24:30

Oh Val Kilmer, yeah. Val Kilmer. Yeah, there's a good example.

SPEAKER_01 24:34

There's a movie that he was slated to be in that they're gonna keep him in the film. Right.

SPEAKER_00 24:41

And I've seen the images, and you can't tell it's not Val Kimmer Kilmer in his prime. No, and his daughter is out, you know, kind of on the circuit talking about it because she knows they realize this is controversial. Right. But she spoke very eloquently about why they okay it and he wanted the film, he wanted it to be seen. Correct. But yeah, I fear it. Well, without the proper guardrails in place, right? I I I don't fear it. I mean, I I am kind of in awe at what it can do even at this sort of infancy stage, relatively speaking. You know, we're we're just scratching the surface. That's what's scary to think about.

SPEAKER_01 25:27

Well, I I always go back to Jurassic Park and I remember seeing that in the theater. And when you see, like, I love the way Spielberg shoots it because you're seeing the reaction of the actors, Laura Dern and whatnot. All you know, they're looking in amazement at something, and then he pans and you see what they're looking at, and you're like, holy they they can make dinosaurs now. Dinosaurs are a thing. And I thought it was brilliant, but I think we're at a level now where it's almost too advanced. And you know, as long as the creatives stay in control of it. I remember we talked to producer Michelle Lang, and she was you know, as she always is, was optimistic saying, you know, this can help. We can use this, this won't replace us. But you know, I still have the fear.

SPEAKER_00 26:36

Well, it it it it will replace some people and it already has. So, you know, you have to at least acknowledge that. But yeah, I think that's the thing. It's it's um Did you see the Michael Jackson video that's out? I don't think so. Which which one is this?

SPEAKER_01 26:53

It's it's obviously you know a deep fake. It's somebody that looks like Michael Jackson as he would look today, and he's on a city bus somewhere. Oh, okay. Oh, yeah. Somebody's filming it with an iPhone and he's just kind of sitting there and and people are like, oh my god, he never died. I knew it. I knew it. I'm like, oh come on.

SPEAKER_00 27:15

Yeah, there's so much of it out on the on the the internet. It's it's crazy. Have you caught have you been caught by it? You know, if you've been scrolling and you see something, you go, what? And then, oh God, it's AI.

SPEAKER_01 27:28

Yeah, you know, when I get caught is when I'm looking at movie trailers.

SPEAKER_00 27:33

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 27:34

And I realize, like, pretty early on, I'm like, wait a second, they just started filming last week. And then you read the fine print, it's like this is a a portrait of what it's likely gonna be, or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 27:50

Mike wanted to do a first look on the Batman 4, and I said, I don't think that's out yet. Yeah, you you fall for those concept, those fan concept uh trailers that are out there.

SPEAKER_01 28:03

And and I've learned, you know, I don't look at them anymore. I I just started to to to chuckle.

SPEAKER_00 28:09

Yeah, it's it's it's tough though.

SPEAKER_01 28:11

Uh but yeah, you can't tell what's real from what's fake anymore. Yeah, it's you just can.

SPEAKER_00 28:18

It's it's pretty phenomenal.

SPEAKER_01 28:20

This one we could tell that Val Kilmer video.

SPEAKER_00 28:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:25

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 28:26

Well, look up look at the uh new Rolling Stones video. That'll blow you up. Yeah, I'll have to check that one out. And I don't know, last year maybe uh Billy Joel put out a great uh song. What was it, the Turn the Lights Back On or something? Correct great tune. And it but that was a really well done, obviously approved by him. And it's him singing the song uh at the piano, but he's going from all the different l hit looks that he's had over the years. Right.

SPEAKER_01 28:52

Because he's had very distinct looks from when he was, you know, in the late 70s to But are the images real or are they images that are computer generated of him?

SPEAKER_00 29:03

Well they're computer generated, but using but that's the thing. They're using, right, the the machine learning, right, that takes place. They feed all of these, they feed the machines with all the images of him, this you know, thousands, hundreds, millions of images, and then they they can recreate it, you know. So that was like they did with it's like they did in The Mandalorian when they brought Luke back. That was unbelievable.

SPEAKER_01 29:30

And that's how he's jaw dropped.

SPEAKER_00 29:32

That's how they did it. I mean, I got emotional watching that as many people did. It was like your childhood coming back to you know, it's just wild.

SPEAKER_01 29:40

Like, I I I think like you could now go to a program and say, hey, uh, do a review for O Brother on this movie, and we wouldn't have to do it.

SPEAKER_00 29:53

Yeah, some people would prefer that. It's it's funny because we got some comments. I hadn't told you this yet, but we got some comments on on one of the videos or shorts or something that we put out on the YouTube channel. And somebody said, You guys look like it was something like stunt doubles for breaking bad. But then someone else commented and said, just said, better call salt. And I'm like, what? And I realize it's your hairstyle right now. Is it me? You got the Odenkirk, yeah, you got the salt. Mike's due for a haircut, that's what's happening.

SPEAKER_01 30:28

Yeah, my hair is so long.

SPEAKER_00 30:29

You drive me crazy when I'm in the editing booth because it's constantly with this. You gotta stop it. Just let it go, man. Just let it roll, let it flow. Yeah, I know. But that's what it is. So then I'm like, well, who the hell am I? Yeah, right. Walter White. Right. So am I um what's his face? Aaron uh Aaron Paul. Yeah, Aaron, how come I his name is just escaping me now? I don't know. From from breaking bad. Yeah. Walton, Walton, you're supposed to finish up. Walt and Goggin. No, not Walton. Walter White and who was Aaron? What was his character's name? That's terrible. You can't remember that. Jesse. Jesse. Jesse, thank you. Yes. So I'm just gonna assume I'm I'm Jesse, is what I'm gonna assume. Anyways. All right. Well, anything else? I I think I know the answer to that. Nothing else to say about outcome at this point. Again, should have worked, didn't work.

SPEAKER_01 31:30

Didn't work. And and again, no shade on those who worked on it. No, well, uh, it is uh actually, but yeah, but you know, I it's not gonna say, you know, next time Jonah Hill puts out a film, right? I'm not gonna say, oh. Of course.

SPEAKER_00 31:51

And they can't all be winners. They can't all be home runs, you know. And again, Jonah's doing just fine. He's doing just fine. Yeah. And I really did want to like it. And there were things about it I did like. I want to be clear. There were some of the performances I liked, some of some of the writing I liked, you know, some of the lines in there I did like. And I and I liked what they were going after, but it it just it fell flat. And I think your comparison to the Nick Cage film was a good one.

SPEAKER_01 32:15

Yeah, that was in my head the whole time. And then I I will say the Susan Lucci stuff, that was the best sequence in the film.

SPEAKER_00 32:25

It was great. She looks great. She was great in the film and the role that she had playing as mom. That was really cool. All right, well, there you go, folks. Outcome on Apple TV. Uh, neither of us are recommending that you watch it, but if you have Apple TV, I mean, you know, no, don't don't do what you want to do, but you're not getting that recommendation from the O'Brother Podcast. Right.

SPEAKER_01 32:46

There's so much. Your friends and neighbors. There's plenty of other stuff.

SPEAKER_00 32:51

Yeah, you can you can you can spend an hour and 23 minutes in so many other great ways. All right, sorry, Jonah, but this one uh just didn't work for us here. So we're we'll hope for for something different in the next one. I I hear there's rumored they're doing, what is it, 23 Jump Street or 24 Jump Street, maybe? Another sequel. I think so, yeah. It's rumored anyway. So all right. Well, that's gonna do it for another episode of the O Brother Podcast. Bring your host, Dan Smith. My sign is always my brother from the same mother, Mike Smith, and we will see you next time.

SPEAKER_01 33:20

Bye, everyone.