Speaker 1: 0:05

Welcome to the O'Brother Podcast with hosts Dan and Mike Smith, brothers from the same mother with different opinions on movies, tv, video games and more plus celebrity interviews. Get ready, get set it's time for the O'Brother Podcast.

Speaker 2: 0:26

Welcome to the O'Brother Podcast. I'm your host, dan Smith. Alongside me is always my brother from the same mother, mike Smith. Good to see. Oberth Podcast. I'm your host, dan Smith, long time as always my brother from the same mother, mike Smith. Good to see you, Dan. It is Halloween Fest 2024 at the Oberth Podcast. Look at this baby, look at that. It even it's branded for your enjoyment halloween fest we're back. If you couldn't tell by the uh the mugs, you can tell by the shirts. What do you got a new shirt and mike's got a new old brother shirt I.

Speaker 3: 0:56

I thought what's scarier than the original old brother?

Speaker 2: 1:01

oh, that's vintage. That's vintage. You can't find that? Uh, you maybe find out flea market somewhere, maybe in Hong Kong, but I love. Okay, first of all, look at the posters. Mike is sporting tonight, brand new stuff here. Let's see what you've got. You've got Halloween, the original, and then in the middle we've got Is that H2?

Speaker 3: 1:28

Yeah, I have to poop it up a bit. Is that from Halloween 2? Yeah, I have to poop it up a bit. Is that from Halloween 2?

Speaker 2: 1:32

Yeah that's Halloween 2. Beautiful, that's a beautiful shot. And then we've got Friday the 13th. Of course, correct Give it up there. And of course, I'm sporting my 2018 version of Michael.

Speaker 3: 1:45

Myers, which was a good version.

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But you notice, I've got tributes back there to Camp Crystal Lake. Love it.

Speaker 3: 1:53

Love to see Shadow up there yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:55

I've got my every 4K, of course, halloween on the shelf, iteration, and I've got what I've got my Freddies and my I don't know which side I'm on, but I did have to keep shadow in the mix because this is her month, this is her season that's right right and what do they say, mike? They say now. You remember dad used to work in one of his retirement jobs. He worked at the post office.

Speaker 3: 2:23

Remember that I was not here, but I do remember yeah, he was.

Speaker 2: 2:28

he was working there as a as a carrier and would deliver the mail, and then I would move back home for a time and got a gig working with him.

Speaker 2: 2:36

So, we would meet up at lunch and go to the pizza shop and have a slice and all of that. And what is the motto of the post office? Like North sleet or rain or freezing, whatever the hell, it is Right, we still deliver the mail. We still bring you the yo brother podcast. I don't care if there's a hurricane coming, I don't care if I've been sick for the last six days, we're bringing it to you.

Speaker 2: 3:01

You got a hurricane bearing down on you as we speak hence the lightning bolts, but there was nothing that was going to prevent us from kicking off.

Speaker 3: 3:11

Halloween fest.

Speaker 2: 3:13

And I can't think now we've got a great lineup this Halloween fest 2024. I think it's a little bit it's a little bit of everything for everyone, right. Yeah, trying to make sure we get a little classic in there, some new stuff, you know, things we certainly haven't seen before. But I'm going to have you kick us off here, because this episode is going to be devoted to Terrifier, which is Damian Leone's really first feature film Not to be confused with Sergio Leone.

Speaker 2: 3:52

No, he may have been influenced by him and liked those films, but this is not a spaghetti Western by any stretch of the imagination. So go ahead. Mike, can you set this up for us?

Speaker 3: 4:06

I can't because there is no setup. Okay, the movie is so bad. This is the worst horror movie I've ever seen.

Speaker 2: 4:15

Wow, I thought you might come out like this.

Speaker 3: 4:18

I could sit through Halloween three, halloween six, rotating them for days with a big smile on my face and people would say how can you stand it? And I'd say because I saw the terr, how can you stand it? And I'd say because I saw the terrifier. And you know what they'd say? They'd say oh, art the clown. Whoa, yeah, I get it. Honey, want to watch the terrifier. Here's a gun so you can blow your brains out. You'll thank me for it. That's my rant on the terrifier but.

Speaker 2: 4:48

But the only difference is art. The clown didn't sell shower curtain rings yeah, exactly that's all the planes, trains and automobiles. For those who didn't pick it up let me do a more legitimate setup, then all right. Okay, all right. So terrifier directed edited special effects, you know, the pay for buy no, no but, not really.

Speaker 2: 5:13

No, no, uh, but we'll get into that, okay. Um, so damian leone directed, you know, wrote it, edited, like I said, special effects, all that stuff. He's from staten island, he's a staten island guy. Um, the film's about an hour and 25 minutes, give or take, right, uh, and it now the this. The film goes back, like the idea of the film goes back right. Can you kind of just tell a little the sort of history of how we got to this point?

Speaker 3: 5:45

well, there was a. There was a film that he did called All Hallows Eve, where I think we were introduced to this character, and he admittedly says he just threw stuff against the wall to see what would stick. And what stuck was Art the Clown, played by a different actor, by the way, yeah, actor, by the way, yeah. And then they made a short, like a 10 minute short, which you can find on almost every because it's it's part of the public domain, so you can find this on almost every streamer and it does make a difference. We'll get to that, but it's basically a psychotic clown, but we have no backstory. And I went and I pulled up all hallows eve and I I couldn't watch it, but I scanned through to see if I could find art the clown and I couldn't. But I did find the short and I saw the other guy which was slightly different looking. Yeah, the makeup of Art the Clown was great, but that's about where the superlatives stopped for me.

Speaker 2: 6:58

Yeah, well, okay, let me continue on a little bit, just to sort of give the credits. The cast Jenna Connell Hopefully I'm saying Jenna's name correctly. She's a certified badass. She is, yeah, if you read her bio and see the things that she's been in and things she's done. She plays a character called Tara, and then Samantha Scavitti, who is going to be at Spooky Empire 2024, as is the O'Brother podcast, so maybe we'll rub some elbows with samantha. She plays victoria, who is a prominent figure throughout the franchise.

Speaker 3: 7:36

Now she's in the right season two and she's going to be in the third one as it's coming as of this recording.

Speaker 2: 7:43

It's going to be out on the 11th of october. Okay, 2024 is when the third one drops. Uh, david howard thornton now plays art, as you mentioned in those shorts. It was another actor um. Katherine corcoran plays um dawn, and then katie mcguire has a role as a as a tv anchor right name, that's how it opens. It's kind of yeah, it's.

Speaker 3: 8:11

In some ways it's almost like bookended, correct it opens with the, with the ending, but you don't really know that until you watch correct.

Speaker 2: 8:20

So that's the main cast. Uh, there's a lot of other players there. The music is by paul wiley. He also does the music in the second. I assume he's going to be back to do the music for the third. You know the score and, as you mentioned, some of the history. So, uh, Damien gets this shown at Telluride as a festival in 2016.

Speaker 3: 8:41

And that's in its full version.

Speaker 2: 8:44

I believe so. Yeah, because soon after that. I mean, I think it takes another year or so probably to to find someone to pick it up, but eventually Dread Central steps in and Epic Pictures and we've had several folks on the show associated with those companies they pick it up and it goes from Dread and Epic, then that gets it onto Netflix, goes from dread, you know, dread and epic, then that gets it onto netflix. So that's really where this spins up into becoming what it is considered a cult classic film now within the horror genre. Right for sure. I'm not sure why. Well listen, you gotta look at, look at the box office. This thing has a budget of like 35 to 50 grand somewhere in there yeah, yeah, you can tell.

Speaker 2: 9:29

He was trying to raise the money initially by one of these you know, internet starters can't like a kid like Indiegogo, I think, was the one that he was using. That didn't really pan out. But there's this guy, um Phil Falcone, who's a producer on the film, who steps in, had worked with him on a film that he worked on called Joe's War, I think, and says it wants to work with Damien because he sees something in him, he sees something creative in him that he thinks is worth investing in. He brings forward a chunk of money and that sort of helps get the ball rolling. Yeah, yeah. But again, I set a budget of like around 50 grand or somewhere in there and you can tell it makes over $400,000. Right, it's made. And the second one the second one was was a more of a critical success. Right, you can. The budget on that's about 250,000. It's made like $15 million. That's a hit, folks.

Speaker 3: 10:33

Right, right. That's how these movies get made. It made money. That's all the producers want to know correct and they'll invest. And I don't know how much did you watch prior and after.

Speaker 3: 10:46

Did you watch terrifier 2 or yeah because you can tell right at the beginning they start right where they left off. But which we always like. We always like when a sequel starts right on the money right and you can tell the budget was bigger in the second one. But you could as soon as I saw the little girl clown. That was like a figment of his imagination right I tapped out at that point you tapped out you didn't. That's five minutes in.

Speaker 2: 11:19

You didn't watch it, I couldn't, couldn't. Okay, all right, that's unfortunate. Um, that's unfortunate, I would say, but the um, you know, it doesn't really end up getting released here until 2018, so it's just seems like this long journey.

Speaker 3: 11:36

Yeah, the dates are really wacky when you look at it and and I'm like, okay, why is that dated before this? And etc. Etc. Now, where did you watch the first one?

Speaker 2: 11:49

so the first one. I watched it on pluto okay, the pluto app.

Speaker 3: 11:55

So I do a search and it comes up on peacock. So if you have peacock you can get it, but with a caveat 10 minutes of undubbed vocal work like it was just a hair off. You know what they spoke and it was driving me nuts. I don't think I would have made the whole. It was a short film. I don't think I would have made it yeah so then I did another search and some random, you know, free v, xv, whatever it's in a lot of free online sites right it came up in the audio was fine.

Speaker 3: 12:38

Yeah, so thankfully you know so, if, if you notice that and if that bothers you, it's streaming on multiple platforms well, like I said, I got it on pluto.

Speaker 2: 12:49

You can get it right there and it was following, and then the second, you can get the sequel on Prime.

Speaker 3: 12:54

On Prime if you have Amazon Prime.

Speaker 2: 12:56

And it looks good. It looks good on Prime. You can tell with the sequel immediately, like you said, that it's a bigger budget.

Speaker 3: 13:04

It's very obvious to tell, the opening shot was much clearer. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 13:09

You could tell it was filmed with probably something other than a handy cam it's too bad that you didn't stick it out for the sequel, because chris jericho I saw his name in all hollows eve and he's going to be in the third one. Yeah, so I think he goes back to before it was terrifier no, I didn't realize he was in in the short. I didn't realize he was in the short. I didn't realize. Or there was like an anthology, right, all Hallows Eve was really like three shorts, yeah, ninth something.

Speaker 3: 13:41

Yeah, the ninth, something I didn't know the Ninth Circle.

Speaker 2: 13:44

The Ninth Circle. Yeah, so this character was in that as well, but I thought you know, look, I I'm not gonna sit up here and say this is, uh, you know, citizen kane or whatever. Right, it's not intended to be, but I find it to be. To me it's like the clerks of horror. It's like the clerks of horror, I mean, I, I fully, I really respect how he got this film made. It's a great story, right?

Speaker 2: 14:12

the guy, the kid like he, he, his, his, you know he, if you look at interviews and kind of go back and and look at his background a little bit and see his fascination as a young kid. First of all, he was introduced to horror films at probably too early an age, as was I, um and he, but he also had a fascination with all films. You know he likes all genres, um, and then he gets this inspiration from um Tom Savini, one of the well-known makeup artists, and he was a creative kid from an early age and he really starts dabbling in that which you can see his, his skill. You can't deny the effects on a, on a, on a film with such a low budget. I was very impressed, even though it was completely disgusting.

Speaker 2: 15:02

It was disgusting, it was gross.

Speaker 3: 15:05

I think you want to this film. Yeah, but see, like when I, when I see something, I remember when I was a kid in high school and scanners came out and the guy's head explodes, I can remember like laughing, you know, like when it goes over the top I almost find it humorous. But this was just so disgusting.

Speaker 2: 15:29

That's a certain people have a certain appetite for that within the horror genre, the blood and guts I think yeah but the blood and guts, oh, go, look at any. Look at a lot of your friday the 13th in that box set you, oh, I, I I'm with you even even hell with blood and guts.

Speaker 3: 15:45

I'm okay with that, but this was so, you know. At one point he saws a girl in half and I'll just say this it's not like it's not like a magician.

Speaker 2: 15:56

Wow, first of all. Okay, hold on a second. Now I don't get creeped out by much. Very few films have ever, like, disturbed me. The um, um, wrong turn was one of those films.

Speaker 3: 16:09

I always bring that up which I've never seen.

Speaker 2: 16:10

The original wrong turn. I left the theater like literally disturbed by watching that film. Same thing with this one because of the realism of those special effects. I mean that it is. It is one of the goriest. I couldn't even believe. I now mike what does unrated. I should know this in this world. But to some degree I'm like is this not an X film?

Speaker 3: 16:36

Yeah, or NC-17, to be politically correct, but I don't know how this doesn't get an X rating. I don't know.

Speaker 2: 16:46

With that sequence alone. Again, spoiler alert.

Speaker 3: 16:49

but it is so graphic, like beyond graphic, you know when I teach film and you know this because I've taught it to you about the movie Cape Fear, I always use that as an example. The original Cape Fear with Robert Mitchum and the remake with Robert De Niro. In the original it's left to our imagination. You know this guy's doing bad things, but you don't see them. In the sequel De Niro literally bites the face off of a woman and it's just so gory it wasn't necessary.

Speaker 2: 17:34

You could have achieved the same thing watching him go at, but that's not a horror film, that's a psychological drama, you know, I mean, it's not a horror film. So, within this genre, this is, this is, this is the baseline. This is the baseline, I mean. But you're right again, there's different. That's the beauty. For people that want to go all in with this kind of thing, you have it in in terrifier. Here's the problem.

Speaker 3: 17:59

There's zero story. Who's art the clown where? Why is he like this?

Speaker 2: 18:05

listen I. I don't even think that I don't think damien would even argue with that right, and that's probably the one thing that it got slammed on is the story, the lack of.

Speaker 2: 18:17

The lack of right, but I don't really think again with the budget. I think it was more about him. Even as he did to get the thing made, it was still about showcasing his ability to bring this realism to the blood and guts, which he certainly does. I mean, he's up there with his talent in that area. You can't deny it, because they don't. You know, like you said, the example you gave where you laugh at it. I was not laughing at any of this, no, it was really disturbing.

Speaker 3: 18:49

In the scene in the pizzeria. Absolutely I don't need to see the guy cleaning up after art the clown oh, that was rough that was almost the tap-up moment for me that was you know and then, and then the little girl. Same scenario and I thought the sequel the reason I I put on terrifier 2 after being horrified for 90 minutes, was I wanted to see if he was going to tell the backstory of Art the Clown, but he just ignored it.

Speaker 2: 19:21

But your initial reaction is all you're supposed to be getting out of this film.

Speaker 2: 19:24

Maybe, that's it. That's it Now. If you watch the sequel, if you had hung with the sequel, you would have gotten more of that with the sequel, but you tapped out so well. But this has to me to to give some credit. It does have a lot of the kind of tropes and the things that you look for in a horror film. In fact, right from the beginning you know you got the two young, attractive women very reminded me very much of pj souls and jamie lee curtis and you know that whole crew from and even the character art, the clown.

Speaker 3: 19:59

You can look at michael myers and do like they don't speak. Yeah, screen. Well, they're both supernatural figures, right, right somehow they survive, but I thought what you do to them again on this budget.

Speaker 2: 20:15

You got to keep that in mind what he was able to do. You know, I, I the um, I don't know when it was shot, I forget like what time of year, if it was in the fall or whatever, but it certainly looked like it, the. I thought the directing was pretty good, you know know, and it was good. I thought there was a good building of tension throughout. I like the score that Paul let's say Paul Wiley yeah, paul Wiley did. You know it was very reminiscent of an 80s horror film like Halloween.

Speaker 3: 20:45

You know it's so hard to get there with the gore and how disgusting it is. I agree with you. I can tell this was directed by somebody that knew how to direct. I could tell, but I didn't care. I wanted something more in the story. It's my gauge me for 90 minutes art, the clown, the early years.

Speaker 2: 21:13

I mean, like, what kind of story do you want exactly? Again, you get it in the sequel.

Speaker 3: 21:18

I think look at michael myers, we get a whole thing from him as a little kid, that's where that's a monster that's a fair point, and john carper didn't have any more money than damien did to make that any wise right. There's a good example of a clown, sure, but really almost the opposite of this I I agree with that.

Speaker 2: 21:38

I agree with that. I think it would leave you less wondering throughout the whole film, like what, what? All these questions that are surfacing?

Speaker 3: 21:47

and and they're not. Questions like that are good, they're questions like basic okay why why? Does a victim of his become a killer?

Speaker 2: 21:58

or like why is that all of a sudden? Where did he come from? Why is he doing this exactly? All of that sort of that's.

Speaker 3: 22:04

all I wanted was answers to those questions and I specifically put on terrifier 2 to see if I would get any responses, and I thought it was pretty clear from the jump. I wasn't.

Speaker 2: 22:16

Well, you don't about Art the Clown.

Speaker 1: 22:18

No, you don't, but there's a story there.

Speaker 2: 22:21

There is a story there. Okay, now, this is to me it's like a mix of Leatherface, jigsaw, michael Myers. It's a little bit of everything within the genre. I feel like, yeah, rot Tomatoes, it's pretty even. It's 57% from the critics, 53% from the audience. What? Yeah? Well, I think for the same reasons that I'm putting out there Again, the story is what kills it, right, but the rest of it, but to get to 57.

Speaker 2: 22:54

Wow's what's imdb that's an f, that's an f. So what do you want? Imdb 5.6 out of 10 that's way high, it's not way high.

Speaker 3: 23:06

It is not way. I mean I rated furiosa, lower than that.

Speaker 2: 23:11

You want to hear this terrifier. Two numbers yes, yeah, tomato and again rotten tomato.

Speaker 3: 23:18

I don't have a lot of respect, but it's a 57, 53, sequel, 86, 80, wow who the hell is. You can't, you can't comment, you didn't watch it I'm stunned. You can't comment yeah, but I'm stunned from the original numbers.

Speaker 2: 23:37

I'm not, I'm not, I'm not because, again, all the things that I pointed out, the music, the, the, the kind of acting, the casting. Of course it's a low budget film and it it looks like a low budget film for the most part but so was halloween, but I'm amazed at what he was able to do with the effects, the score, even the acting in the cast. Again, considering the money, I don't know. I'm pretty impressed by that and and it it's uh.

Speaker 3: 24:05

He did all this himself, the one actor you mentioned, and I I said she's a real bad gen something jenna, jenna cannell you know, I thought she was a legit character. She was, you know, a legit actor.

Speaker 2: 24:21

Beyond that I thought her friend katherine corkwood's character dawn was too she and samantha samantha scavini is victoria. She was good right she wasn't.

Speaker 2: 24:33

It's relatively small in the first film, and, and, and he has. He has since said he regrets not fleshing that character out more in the first film, and, and, and he has. He has since said he regrets not fleshing that character out more in the first film, which I think is why he's now probably paying a little bit more attention to her in in the sequel in the one coming yeah well, and in the sequel she's in the sequel as well right is.

Speaker 3: 24:55

Is the third one going to a theater?

Speaker 2: 24:58

oh yeah, wow oh yeah, well listen, people can't wait to get their their their tickets for this who are you in the horror world?

Speaker 3: 25:07

who you recommend our fans, horror fans, yeah, but see, I can't even say that this is gore, this isn't horror, this is gore, right, I mean that's horror, dude.

Speaker 2: 25:20

Blood and guts, that's yeah.

Speaker 1: 25:22

But we talked about jaws right, you don't put this in the same league.

Speaker 2: 25:28

But we, you and I both stated on that episode it's not a horror film, it's a psychological thriller. I agree, that's where we stand, so I I wouldn't even use give me another example.

Speaker 3: 25:39

Well, halloween, because halloween was a very low budget for for a long time. Halloween was the biggest, the most successful independent film of all time. Until you know something recent.

Speaker 2: 25:52

It's it's a good point and I think again, what I would say is there is it's like a subgenre, right the blood and guts and gore within horror. With Halloween you've got more, at least from the original even well, the original, I would say, because that was more like Jaws, where it's a psychological thriller. You don't see a lot of killing. The second one is very graphic. It's very different from the first one, but not graphic to this extent uh, it's pretty close.

Speaker 2: 26:25

Uh, there's a scene, if you recall, in halloween 2 you got the poster behind you right where he melts the girl's face off in the sauna, right, that's very graphic to me that's tame, because I'm probably looking at her chest more than anything as a kid watching it Probably. Which you get that in this too Right but not in a good way, not in a good way, no, good Lord wow.

Speaker 3: 26:51

And again, I think, that sequence that we're referring to.

Speaker 2: 26:57

I called it. The curtain reveal is what I call.

Speaker 3: 27:00

Yeah, you could have terrified me with just showing him with the saw and and you would have been able to cut away and I would have been like that's horrifying, but I think to show it.

Speaker 2: 27:16

But I think that's it. But but did you believe that was happening as you're watching it? You kind of did, you kind of did, you suspended your disbelief and you, for a moment, you were like, oh my, you cringed, right, because it's believable, because of how good the effects are. Again, I'm just trying to give, not arguing this is you know, right, right, godfather 2 or whatever, but I'm just. But I want to give leone credit, for you know where it's due, I think, other than you.

Speaker 3: 27:46

I'm not sure I would be comfortable sitting watching this with anyone else well, certainly not, mom no, or or anybody I I can't imagine I would, I would.

Speaker 2: 27:59

Absolutely Hanging out with you know a crew or?

Speaker 3: 28:03

I could do it with you, but not your girlfriend, no way.

Speaker 2: 28:07

Yeah, wherever your partner, why not? What if they're a big horror fan? You're assuming they're not into this Again.

Speaker 3: 28:13

this really isn't horror. This is gore. This is just gore.

Speaker 2: 28:18

Well, hold on, let me check, let me see what it's billed at. Okay, it is classified as Okay. Here we go. Folks, and the folks watching that are horror fans know this slasher horror. Okay, slasher are splatter horror, if you will. Right, right.

Speaker 3: 28:41

That's you know again usually it's a sub. It's a sub genre of horror, and that's all I'm saying not only the gore but just the nastiness, like that bathroom sequence. That's all I have to say. And people can probably conjure up I'm with what, I'm what what? Probably conjure up what I saw.

Speaker 2: 28:59

I cannot see that. I don't need to see the guy on janitorial duty.

Speaker 3: 29:03

No.

Speaker 2: 29:04

No pun intended, complaining about double time.

Speaker 3: 29:07

It was brutal, it was brutal and that was another thing that the pizza owner that became a jack-o'-lantern kind of looked stupid.

Speaker 2: 29:16

I didn't think so.

Speaker 3: 29:17

I think that was one of the weaker effects. Okay, all right, but I didn't like with one throwaway criticism at the end.

Speaker 2: 29:25

I didn't like it at all You've already shit on the film, but well, we're split here because this is and I will say not easily Okay, okay, but I could see going back to this some Halloween night and putting it on. If I really want to be creeped out, if I really want to be creeped out.

Speaker 3: 29:54

Where did this film come from? For Halloween Fest.

Speaker 2: 29:56

Like how did we come up with this? A number of reasons, one, not the least of which is not that the third one's coming out this month.

Speaker 2: 30:03

Right, yeah, so it's relevant for because there are fans Like you said, it made $15 million and as we can put up on the screen here, when we were at Spooky Empire in Orlando last year 2023, there was a bunch of cosplayers as art to clown and and now I, I look back and I remember the guy was pushing the cart, he was pushing the girl. That was split in half.

Speaker 3: 30:30

I see, I don't remember you don't remember that.

Speaker 2: 30:32

Every time he went by I was like what in the like it was, it was nasty, just to see. But I didn't have the context. Right now I have the content. It's even worse now.

Speaker 3: 30:42

Right when I, when we go in a couple of weeks there'll be plenty. I'll be looking for that because I would think like Arthur Clown.

Speaker 2: 30:52

But folks scary looking, Mark my words. You are going to see a photo of Mike and Art the Clown post-Spooky Empire appearance.

Speaker 3: 31:03

I think I'll have a thumbs down.

Speaker 2: 31:05

I agree, though Art the Clown, yeah, so there's a compliment you're giving with the Matrix, yes, I thought this is a character that can be horrifying, but tell me why he's like this.

Speaker 3: 31:19

where did? And? And the supernatural bit of it?

Speaker 2: 31:22

tell me more about that. Why don't you, you know, sit in and and let the sequel simmer a little bit, then you'll be ready for terrifier 3 when it comes out, you know I don't know if I'm but listen and ironically, it's going to come out the weekend of spooky that's right.

Speaker 2: 31:39

We're going to be at spooky and we'll probably be knee deep in art to clown. Um, when that hits the thing, I would think we should leave spooky that night and go see terrified three, and I guarantee there's a huge watch party already forming for that that night. You know there is maybe.

Speaker 3: 31:55

Yeah, because that is a hardcore group and, like you said, one of the actors is going to be there, you know there is maybe. Yeah, because that is a hardcore group and, like you said, one of the actors is going to be there, you know as part of the panel so well um, did you think we were going to be split on this one? No pun intended I, I thought, I thought maybe you might send me a text and say let's go with.

Speaker 2: 32:20

Poltergeist, or let's go with something else. People are going to comment on this, on this episode. Let's hear it, you stayed with it.

Speaker 3: 32:29

Oh yeah, Glad. I was ready to tap out? No, first I had the audio issue. Which annoyed me more than anything and that was the best part of the film was the opening with two young female actors yeah yeah, so I'm glad I went back and did a search for because you, I know you had said pluto, so but I watched it on like zemo or xmo or I think you can give it up to you know for what it took to to get this made and the success that it's spawned now.

Speaker 3: 33:02

Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to deny. That's pretty incredible 15 million, 15 million, dude. That to me is almost unwatchable.

Speaker 2: 33:14

It's very impressive, very impressive.

Speaker 3: 33:17

I wished he was going to be at spooky, because I definitely uh want to chat it up with david and I mentioned the jester to you when I first saw art the clown, it kind of conjured up images which is a film we watched. We didn't review it, but we watched it because we had talked to the director, colin.

Speaker 2: 33:35

Yeah, uh, one of the actors, mary jane a little shout out to mary jane and colin I hope she's still um acting it. Yeah, oh yeah. And it was so amazing to be at spooky empire last year and the jester showed like that was the last character I thought we would see at spooky.

Speaker 3: 33:53

It wasn't a household name at that point no, and, and you could tell when we recognized him he got really excited. He was like somebody knows the character.

Speaker 2: 34:03

Yeah, we had just watched it. Got a nice photo with the jester at Spooky Empire. So listen, for what it is. I thought it was decent. Again, they're clerks of horror. I thought it was decent, you know, again they're clerks of horror. And it's funny enough. You can see a cast, a panel interview that your buddy, kevin Smith, actually moderates with Damien and Phil Falcone.

Speaker 3: 34:31

Really.

Speaker 2: 34:32

Absolutely Wow, and he gives major major kudos. Kevin Smith came from the same world. In fact, kevin says he was big into special effects. He just didn't have the talent for that, so he went down another road, but there was a lot in common that they have with each other.

Speaker 3: 34:50

well, the that's why the difference is storytelling. You know, kevin smith knows how to tell a story, ke.

Speaker 2: 34:56

Kevin's not telling horror stories, you know, and I agree with you. I'm with you there, but I feel like I get that in the sequel and I'm assuming I'll get it in the third one. I'm not saying you're going to get fulfillment on the backstory of art, the clown and this, that and the other thing, but you know there is a story to be told there.

Speaker 3: 35:14

I'm surprised you kept going after the laundromat scene. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 35:20

Yeah. Because I was that I was intrigued because of the success, and then I wanted to see what it was all about when I put on All Hallows Eve.

Speaker 3: 35:31

I just kind of skimmed it because I wanted to see the character and if he was in it he looked way different, because I didn't find him. Yeah, but I did see Chris Jericho, who's a wrestler, because we mentioned him earlier. Right, and he does. He's done some acting in the past on low budget stuff.

Speaker 2: 35:52

Well, there you go. Split decision to kick off the Halloween festival 2024.

Speaker 3: 36:02

The original terrifier.

Speaker 2: 36:03

I'm excited for what's ahead and and can't wait for a couple of them. Yeah, yeah, we got a good lineup. We got a good lineup coming at you, but I thought, you know, let's really lean into horror and that's why I wanted to kick off with this one. It was another reason. Plus, I know some of our production team are fans of this franchise. Right, we did a first look on the third one, which will be coming out subsequent to this episode. But yeah, listen, I got to give my props to Damian Leone for getting this done and having it launch this now successful franchise. I mean, he's not going to stop at three, like you said, if it keeps making money.

Speaker 3: 36:46

Right, that's going to be the key, like this is probably the first box office release, right? So if it does anything, no, no, no, no, no. The second one. The second one was in the box office.

Speaker 2: 36:58

Now, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 3: 36:58

The second one, the second one was in the box office.

Speaker 2: 37:01

Now the second one was plagued by COVID. The second one, I think should have come out a couple years before it did. It ended up coming out in 2022. But people wanted it. They were ready for Art, the Cloud. So, because that one said 15 million.

Speaker 3: 37:17

Right, there you go, and there's the reason these get made. There's an audience yep, not me, and I'm not going to recommend it. All right I'm, I'm, uh, I'm gonna, I'm gonna give it my recommends if you watch this, if you can get through a half hour, let me know I think more people would side with me than you on this one.

Speaker 2: 37:38

Personally.

Speaker 3: 37:39

I wouldn't be surprised, because horror don't be such a buzzkill on Halloween fest. Well, I'm not on Halloween fest, just this particular film, yeah, yeah. Movie and and I know there's big fans out there, so yeah, horror fans are some of the most dedicated.

Speaker 2: 37:57

I'm a new terrifier fan Now I'm really excited to see Art the Clown at Spooky Empire.

Speaker 3: 38:02

If you're a horror fan, you got to like it after Dan's rave review.

Speaker 2: 38:07

I'm giving it a thumbs up, so let's you give it a thumbs up as well. But that's going to do it for another episode of the Over the Podcast. I'm your host, dan Smith. My name is always my brother, from the same mother, mike Smith. Mike Samy is always my brother from the same mother, mike Smith, and we'll see you next time. Bye, everyone.