Speaker 1: 0:07

Welcome to the O'Brother Podcast with hosts Dan and Mike Smith, brothers from the same mother with different opinions on movies, tv, video games and more plus celebrity interviews. Get ready, get set it's time for the O'Brother Podcast.

Speaker 2: 0:27

Welcome to the O'Brother Podcast. I'm your host, dan Smith. Alongside me, as always, my brother from the same mother, mike Smith. Hey, dan, it's the episode that I really could give a s*** less about. So, mike the Penguin, episode 1, your thoughts.

Speaker 3: 0:42

Well, we got to talk about where this originated. It was Colin Farrell playing the Penguin in the Batman movie by Matt Reeves. It was a pretty short part in the film, only six scenes. In fact, he almost turned it down because it wasn't enough. But then we find out that this takes place a week after the end of the Batman, and I guess it's going to lead us into the Batman 2, whatever that's going to be subtitled. That's it.

Speaker 2: 1:21

That's the setup. Yeah, episode one of the Penguin. It's the first episode of eight episodes entitled After Hours, hit streaming on Max September, september 19th 2024, directed by craig zobel, who does, I think, the first three episodes. Matt reeves is an executive producer, I think dylan clark is, as well as his, his uh collaborator with the Batman that you talked about. And then the showrunner, lauren LaFranc it's really her baby. Yeah, it really is she?

Speaker 3: 1:55

she wrote it. Yeah, she really it was her idea, yeah.

Speaker 2: 2:00

I think she did a nice job with the, with the writing, and you mentioned Colin Farrell, kristen Milioti, who plays a Sophia Marcon, and of course we falcone rather sorry, and we know all about the falcons from the batman movie john toro right was the head of the family was it me or when they did this little news headline shot of him?

Speaker 2: 2:22

they're talking about him on this news broadcast in the opening sequence of this episode. That didn't look like john touro to me and I so I didn't know if they were just trying to play off as though even if it was a younger version of john taturo. It didn't look like it and I thought would they have had to pay him a lot more money if it was actually an image of him? Is that what that was all about, did you? Notice, you know it looked like he had plastic surgery. Do you know what?

Speaker 3: 2:48

I'm talking about, I think, think I vaguely remember, but I didn't even question it.

Speaker 2: 2:53

I was like that is not John Titor, Look like John.

Speaker 3: 2:57

Now I'm going to have to go back and rewatch the beginning.

Speaker 2: 3:00

It was so bad. I'm like that has to be something contractual that they said you know what? We'll just Photoshop someone else in there.

Speaker 3: 3:07

Wasn't like in the previous Batman trilogy, wasn't it, falcone? Have we lost the Italian? E now?

Speaker 2: 3:16

That's it. That's another good point. I don't know that that could be. Uh, look, I said Marcon, so I haven't even kept up on it, but uh, and I rewatched the Batman, as did you. Yes, and I've seen this episode a couple of times now. Renzi Feliz plays a character named Victor. Deirdre O'Connell plays Oz's mother, frances Cobb and Clancy Brown, who, clancy Brown, has one of the longest resumes in Hollywood. Yes, I think this is the best he's looked in a long. He looks fantastic, he looks good.

Speaker 2: 3:49

He's got the white hair going yeah For an aging guy Not that he's old, but he looks fantastic. I thought a fairly small role, but I think what I did was I mashed up the Maroney family with the Falconi's.

Speaker 3: 4:04

Right we got Marconi. And he's the only one from the film. Right, that's in it. Well, he wasn't even in the film.

Speaker 2: 4:12

I thought he had a small no he wasn't. The character was alluded to with the film of course right, I know that kind of this shadowy figure, but no, because he's the head of the family, obviously. But, um, but I liked clancy brown in that role. I thought it was michael kelly, who a lot of people would recognize. Uh, did you recognize? Michael kelly plays a johnny. Uh vd. He's in jack ryan. Most recently that I was watching house of cards. He's been in a lot of series kind of stuff very well, yeah, he's a good character actor.

Speaker 2: 4:43

And michael ziegen, if I'm saying that right, who I did recognize from boardwalk empire, who plays alber Alberto Falcone, for a short time, for a very short time, no spoilers, but this is a mob sort of influenced series.

Speaker 3: 4:59

Yeah, you know, we just did an episode on the Sopranos and it almost feels more like a crime drama than, you know, a Batman movie, Like I'm curious, curious. Eight episodes are they gonna not? And and when I re-watched the batman, yeah, one of the things that stuck out is nobody called him the batman right, except for the riddler, and that was in writing.

Speaker 2: 5:27

He was called vengeance sounds yeah, which I loved, which I think was a big part of that character that robert pattinson played, because the sort of grounded in reality portrayal and the brutality right that I'm not sure we've seen.

Speaker 3: 5:45

Uh, batman, that that brutal yeah, I mean he was a. He was a street fighter, as matt reeves described it and I think, and again we're, we're gonna focus on penguin, but the last thing I want to say about batman is he didn't really do a very uh enticing bruce wayne in my opinion, I had no problem with that, because if you, if you kind of dive deep into that film and the making of it and everything, that's exactly what they were going for.

Speaker 2: 6:15

They were going for more of this. I mean, kurt Cobain was a heavy influence on that character. Yes, that's what you're getting in that Bruce Wayne. He's kind of dark and brooding and is sort of all.

Speaker 3: 6:26

Right, very different from Very different and is sort of all right. You know very different from very different and in this, this show is not staying to. You know the book or you know the comics or the other movies. It's real, in fact, because we know in the tim burton penguin he was born into, where that's turned on its head, where in this one Penguin comes from nothing.

Speaker 2: 6:56

Yeah, wasn't the late great Paul Rubens, his father, pee-wee Herman, wasn't he?

Speaker 3: 7:01

That's right, that's right. That was one of the first roles after his incident in Tampa, let's say the incident in.

Speaker 2: 7:12

Tampa. Let's say, oh, the incident in Tampa.

Speaker 3: 7:15

The incident in Tampa that really derailed his career for a while, yeah, google it.

Speaker 2: 7:21

It did, but he made a comeback and he did you know he died honorably. And then people love Pee Wee, so yeah, um, you mentioned danny devito, of course. That played the your favorite penguin, I think, in batman returns. I liked.

Speaker 3: 7:34

You know that character was not liked and I think it was because he was so grotesque but that was the point.

Speaker 2: 7:42

And he was very crude too. I mean, I was. I was re-watching some of the clips and he comes in at one point and he sees Michelle Pfeiffer, his catwoman, laying there. He goes oh, just the pussy I've been looking for. I'm like I had forgotten it was that crude. Yeah, you know what's interesting too?

Speaker 2: 7:59

He had that affliction where his fingers were fused together, right Like slippers, right A little over the top, right over the top, but in this one again, not to give too much away, but it's oswald cobblepot the penguin clearly has that little wobble, right right the waddle, and you it's revealed that he's got this affliction with one of his his feet right, he was born you know, with a handicap and it's kind of the similar thing, where it's like his toes are fused together and it's quite, it's quite grotesque it is, and let's, let's first off give a great shout out to the guys that did the makeup.

Speaker 3: 8:42

I'm glad you said that.

Speaker 2: 8:42

so mike marino in particular kind of led the charge there, I think, with his collaborator, which is another mike, but colin farrell, in every interview I've seen, brings mike marino's name up, because it really was the sculpting of that face, yep, that, you know, gave colin farrell the character, right? He was asked do you typically work from the inside out, of the outside in? And he's like well, in this case I clearly work from the outside in.

Speaker 3: 9:10

And there's footage you can see online of him when he first gets the makeup on, he pulls out his iPhone and he records himself talking in a voice that sounds nothing like him. He looks nothing like himself.

Speaker 2: 9:26

No, it's great footage and yeah, you can just tell he's having fun with it for right from the beginning.

Speaker 3: 9:32

now that's three hours every day in the makeup chair, you know I I don't know how they do that with you know there's other stories like that, but it clearly gave him, like we talked about when we did the batman. We look back what 35 years how michael keaton got the batman voice after he was in the costume, right, and I think that's what happened with you know, the voice for the penguin well, in farah.

Speaker 2: 10:04

Carla farrell said that you know you would think it would be very restricting, but it's actually quite liberating. Yeah, the way that it allows you to express the character and find the character. But, yeah, that accent that he comes up with, how muddy you Really New York-ish, yeah, it's like, under the circumstances it's really kind of. It's very unique. But, yeah, the only Paul Farrell, though I just what are you going to say? It's fantastic, phenomenal portrayal, and I'm not sure that I enjoy this episode as much as I do If, obviously, he's not portraying this character in the way that he is. I did have some issues with it. I mean, overall, I really enjoyed it. I'm looking forward to, you know, the upcoming episodes, but but go ahead.

Speaker 3: 10:54

You're going to say well, you know, I was going to point out danny devito. He also got lost in the penguin. I thought quite well, um, and the makeup was quite good with him. Now, there was one line in batman returns where danny devito kind of slid into his own voice when he when he was talking about I just want to find out who my parents are, and you could hear danny devito and the jersey accent in the movie, the batman colin farrell.

Speaker 3: 11:29

Not once. If you didn't tell me it was him, I would have. You could have given me a hundred guesses, I wouldn't come up with him now in the show. A couple of nitpicky times he slid into and I think they were dubs because it seemed like like when they were throwing a body in a trunk. It it happens in the first five minutes, so it's not a big shock Right. I just think it's hard. It's so different Burgess, meredith, yes, danny devito and now colin ferrell.

Speaker 2: 12:01

They're so different oh yeah, but there's no, there's no comparison. You know it's, it's interesting because you probably didn't notice this, but what 23 minutes in if you? Go back penguin is pulling up to what is his apartment, I guess, and it's above a jewelry store and the name of that jewelry store is burgess jewelry. Uh, I didn't have to be had to be a tip of the hat, of course, meredith yeah, but you know purple you know he had the purple suit yeah, what you're talking about

Speaker 2: 12:36

plum. It was interesting because I went back and I kind of looked at the history of all the different penguins through the years, both animated and and the live action, and we've only had a couple of them, of different penguins through the years, both animated and and the live action, and we've only had a couple of them, of course. And it was funny to go back and see the voice of some of the animated penguins, like ted knight from the barry tyler boar show and you could probably tell it was him.

Speaker 2: 12:57

He was the first one to actually voice him wow as an animated character.

Speaker 2: 13:02

And then paul williams was another for the older listeners the singer yes, right, yeah, there were some similarities, but they were very different, but they all worked. You know what I mean. Yeah, but yeah, this is just a phenomenal portrayal by him. I mean it's, it's just. It's like you said, and I've watched a ton of interviews with him from over the last several days and still, you know as much as I'm hearing him, I'm not seeing it and I don't know if you watch the makeup guys talk about.

Speaker 2: 13:33

You know they had worked with coppola and some other people well, no, they were, they were, they were, uh, mentored by dick smith. Yeah, worked on the godfather Exorcist, all these big time movies, and you'd see the huge influence.

Speaker 3: 13:50

Right and part of the makeup is Fredo.

Speaker 2: 13:53

Right, right, the hair to a certain degree Right, and actually I'm glad you brought that up because that to me is a um, a pretty central element of this version of the penguin. He's very, he's very pathetic in a lot of ways. He's very lonely. In fact there's one, there's a scene where he's um, he's in a prison talking to um Clancy Brown's character, moroni, and he says I know a lot more than people think. Does that sound familiar?

Speaker 3: 14:28

yes, I'm smart, right, I'm not dumb like people say yeah right and really you can tell, with the mother portrayal which we get for the first time, at least in live action, that well, from his mother really belittling him isn't that in gotham, though, isn't that in the series gotham doesn't he have it is maybe.

Speaker 2: 14:52

well, it's funny, because to kind of continue on with this sort of mafia influence from, like the godfather and so forth, the sopranos, right, right, and here it's on the same network, right the same, and there's something about his relationship, oz's relationship with his mother, that reminds me a little bit of tony soprano and olivia, his definitely, definitely. You know, she's clearly very controlling of him and she's, she's got some hold over him and it seems to play into this this part of his character that is very lonely and longing for love. But but one thing I heard from Lauren and Colin on I think it was the pod, the companion podcast, right, which we should mention, each episode will have a podcast.

Speaker 3: 15:43

It's kind of like it's a standard now. It is now Every series does this?

Speaker 2: 15:47

It's nothing new, but they were talking about, I think, lauren in particular was saying how he views love as transactional. And you think about that with all of his relationships, even going back to the Batman movie with Selena, you know, with um zoe kravitz's character yes, you know his cat woman, right, that was a very kind of transactional relationship the one with his mother, there's a, there's a hooker and this one, a prostitute named eve, that he has a relationship with, and it's kind of quid pro quo kind of thing. So that's kind of an interesting thread that runs throughout the, the, the episode and, I'm I'm sure, throughout the the season series there's also a suit he wears that's white and it's got to give you flashbacks of scarface.

Speaker 3: 16:39

And again, what we're watching here is, you know, danny DeVito, like I said, was born into wealth. Even though his parents threw him away, he eventually found his way back to the money. Yeah, here he's. This is what I assume this whole series is about. Is the penguins rise up the food chain?

Speaker 2: 17:03

Oh yeah, absolutely, Absolutely absolutely absolutely, he's gonna get what's his in his mind, that line I referenced right, where I know more than people think, yes, and even even kristin milioti's character.

Speaker 3: 17:14

Sofia says to him at one point.

Speaker 2: 17:17

I know you're capable of more than she let us but he.

Speaker 2: 17:19

There is a genuine sort of patheticness to him, but yet he is not to be crossed. He's certainly not in the batman movie because it kind of seems to it parallels a little bit with oz's desire to get more, to have more right. Yeah, like you said, climb up the food chain and right. So there's some interesting comparisons there and maybe he took some some inspiration from that. I don't know, but but you know he likes nice things. There is this way.

Speaker 2: 18:02

I wasn't sure how he felt about it at first. I would get your your thoughts on it, but it's a very this is, I would say, even though it's very dark and there's violence and so forth, it's also very light, like it's. It's not. This is not the world of the batman. Right, it is in the beginning, the very opening sequence, but other than that there's only little glimpses of that. I think mostly it almost you. It comes off as a a buddy cop kind of episode. Yeah, this kid, victor, right, he's tooling around with right that he takes under his wing, really, because he caught the kid with a bunch of hoodlums trying to steal his rims off his maserati but I'm not sure I'm down with that character yet.

Speaker 2: 18:45

Victor, yeah, yeah, I think I think the actor did a great job. Right, I really do, but I'm not sure I I hope they don't overplay. It is what I'm worried about, like it becomes too much of that relationship right you know like if he ends up in a yeah, but if he gets wasted episode three, I'd be fine, no offense.

Speaker 3: 19:04

Me too. Me too. I don't buy that. He's an inner city kid. The stutter is obviously something I think Penguin relates to, as, oh, he has a disability to overcome.

Speaker 2: 19:17

There's an affliction I can relate to that.

Speaker 2: 19:19

Right, and finally he has somebody to drive him, because he's always the driver right, you know, as you drive and when they get in the car, like the nine to five comes on by dolly part, right, he's talking about the fragrances of the of the air freshener in his car, like those. So these are these weird. It looks like in his apartment there's a nice espresso maker there, so it's hard to figure out. To figure him out, you know, right, he's eccentric in a lot of ways, but again, it can be very brutal yes, you know, and he was gonna bail.

Speaker 3: 19:51

Okay, we, we should bring up that, the original falcone member that was gonna take over, you know he does away with and he probably instantly regrets it, and and then we're introduced to the sister who I guess is next in line, although there is another brother Right, and this is this is Kristen Milioti, who, see, this is the character I'm unsure about.

Speaker 2: 20:16

Okay, she's going to be a key figure. I know and and I was intrigued from the trailer, but watching the episode I was the latter half of the episode. Her performance I enjoyed more than the first part, so I don't know, I'm a little.

Speaker 3: 20:32

Have you seen the flashbacks? Because they're going to obviously show her in Arkham going through yes, whatever. And she's got to really make it out.

Speaker 2: 20:42

She's nicknamed the hangman. So we're going to get all of that kind of backstory there. But yeah, I don't know, like you said, the character Victor and then her character. I'm a little on the fence right now with the two of them. So, talking about the Batman, again, we would be remiss if we hadn't brought that up. But as we're recording this episode, we're just getting ready to lean into the old brother Halloween fest, right? So we were originally going to cap off this month with a more neutral episode, something that you know we were going to do an interview and that we had to get rescheduled and some other ideas we were playing with. Actually, another keaton related, michael keaton related, right film thing we were going to do, which we're still going to do.

Speaker 2: 21:27

I have like four pages of notes, right right exactly, but but it's interesting because I thought this was actually ended up being the perfect episode to do, because, to tie it together, okay, maybe it's a little bit of a stretch, but the batman movie opens on halloween, halloween night, yes, it opens on halloween. Not only that, but as I went back and watched that, that that scene early on when he confronts all these goons in the subway and he takes them down just so brutally, and that's when he says the line, as you mentioned you know, vengeance, vengeance they reminded me of the war boys from mad max.

Speaker 2: 22:08

Oh wow, with the white paint face right whole thing right. And also there's definitely an ode to halloween, the actual original john carpenter halloween. If you go back and watch the batman, which you did, I did there's a scene with and I forget now the character. Oh uh, scars guard, scars guard.

Speaker 2: 22:29

Yeah, yeah, one of these scars guards one of the many yeah he, um, he's getting in his car and the batman I'm sorry the Riddler played by Paul Dano is hiding in the back seat. Yes, and Skarsgård does this thing with the windshield. It's kind of fogged up and it's kind of rain and he wipes it and then the Riddler comes out from behind and they can't. It's exactly from Halloween.

Speaker 3: 22:53

That's right From Halloween, exactly from Halloween, yeah.

Speaker 2: 22:56

And lastly, the that's right from halloween, exactly from halloween. And lastly, the batmobile in the, which is one of my favorites.

Speaker 3: 23:03

I love what matt reeves and that crew did.

Speaker 2: 23:04

Yeah, and you know I've loved all iterations yeah, I know you're certainly unique the 1989 one, but the what? But again the, the kind of halloween tie-in here is it really sort of reminds me of christine, right, it's almost had its, it was like had a life of its own. It was very, yes, like it spoke. And you know, it might as well, like the batman, might as well, have not been in the thing and one of the versions.

Speaker 3: 23:30

They had four versions of the car and one of them was ev. That's right and that was so he could kind of sneak up on people which again makes the car almost a character exactly.

Speaker 2: 23:43

So I just thought how fitting you know we would land on this to do is the episode, but it actually fits, I didn't remember, until I re-watched batman, that it happened on halloween night, when yeah when the riddler explodes, the the seawall right, right, exactly. Well, I don't know this.

Speaker 3: 24:01

This is going to run through november 10th and and how long do we have to wait for the batman too? Because it I know it got pushed a year, I would say next, yeah, sometime in 2026 right and it's getting no love from james gunn, who's already come out and said he's going to do his own Batman.

Speaker 2: 24:19

Well, matt Reeves is fine with that. This is in the what do they call it? The something, the DCU or the DC?

Speaker 3: 24:27

No, no, it's not even that.

Speaker 2: 24:28

It's like the I don't know excommunicated universe or something. I don't know what it is, but, matt, I think matt reeves is just fine with that because, uh, as of this recording, if what we've seen is any indication of the superman film with the the dog, now crypto and oh my god, I just hope, I'm sorry to say, but I just hope that thing uh takes a big um.

Speaker 2: 24:52

So I don't know, I mean, I I'm I'm intrigued enough by colin farrell's performance to stick it out like that's if, if nothing else, that would get right. Hang in there, right, um, this is not like something like star wars, the acolyte you know where, you know I would. I regretted that I stuck it out, but, um, but I'm a little unsure of some of these what appear to be central characters.

Speaker 3: 25:14

Certainly sophia falcone, right and how you know this is gonna. Now we know it starts a week after the events of the batman and it's gonna lead us to batman too. So does that mean the penguin's gonna be the main villain? Villain, because at the end of the batman they set up the joker, which I did not like, that iteration of the joker already well, I didn't mind it in the final release of the film right extra the deleted scene.

Speaker 2: 25:46

Way too much, way too long, good call matt.

Speaker 2: 25:49

Good call, right one. But you know what's interesting about that? That that joker that version was. It's probably closer to the suicide squad version of the joker. Yeah, and it was, uh, played by barry keegan. Yes, and the interesting thing is colin farrell mentioned, I think, in the podcast he talked about. I believe he was. He was filming the banshees of in a sharon, I think, when he got the call to do the batman. Yes, and he was filming the banshees of in a sharon with barry keegan. So, anyways, six degrees of separation.

Speaker 3: 26:27

He did a movie called north water where he gained weight. Oh yeah, and matt reeves originally talked to him about gaining weight and he was like I can't do it, it's too bad on my health well, and he's a he's a marathon runner, he's a runner, right, yeah, I could imagine.

Speaker 2: 26:45

Yeah, it's very uncomfortable. I mean, you guys like deniro and others that have done that over the years right, it's not healthy. It is not healthy. No, it's not good for your body it's not and I've done that.

Speaker 3: 26:54

I've actually put on weight to do a role in. Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf? Ah, it was horrible.

Speaker 2: 27:02

Worst.

Speaker 3: 27:04

My worst performance ever.

Speaker 2: 27:05

I've done it too multiple times, but it's never been for a role. It's just because I like ice cream too much.

Speaker 3: 27:12

I thought putting on weight would help me act like Richard Burton. And it didn't know. Putting on weight would help me act like richard burton, and it didn't, you know.

Speaker 2: 27:20

Well, yeah, listen, I think we've touched on all the different, you know uh, elements I just, how do you do eight episodes without the batman in it?

Speaker 2: 27:29

well, but matt reef speaks to that I and I and I and I like with his answer to that, which is that, just as they they ended the batman film, this one opens up with just establishing the batman's presence. He's out there. Yeah, it's like he says in the in, in that one uh, monologue in the batman, you know I'm they, they think I'm hiding, or you know, in the shadows, I am the shadows, right, right. So it's setting it up that he's out there, yeah, but they don't know where the hell he is. Yeah, so I'm okay with that. I I wouldn't want to see a cameo from robert pattinson. I think that would ruin it, quite frankly. Yeah, maybe it's not what this is about.

Speaker 3: 28:10

This is all about developing this character of and and one last thing to to talk about. That is, they show a series of pictures when he goes to his mother's house. He's planning on saying goodbye to his mother and hitting the road with Vic, but she's like no, you're not, you're going to use this because you're going to rise.

Speaker 2: 28:31

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 28:32

And you see a series of pictures with him and his dad and two brothers, and then it becomes the brothers and then all of a sudden it's just him and his dad and two brothers, and then it becomes the brothers and then all of a sudden it's just him and his mom. So I don't know if we're going to get that filled in.

Speaker 2: 28:46

I assume from that picture the way he shot it yeah, I didn't pick up on that, that it went from three to okay. I didn't pick up on that.

Speaker 3: 28:55

And we're obviously going to see him as a young kid, which they've already shown in upcoming.

Speaker 2: 29:01

Well, and I think that speaks to this whole again, this part of him that is lonely, right, that has suffered a lot of loss, right, he's trying to fill it, probably, with some things that aren't so good, probably teased as a kid incessantly because of the way he walked absolutely and colin farrell there's one scene.

Speaker 2: 29:24

Last thing I'll say about this is he's getting ready to go have a meeting with you know who's? Michael kelly's character, who's now kind of looking out for what's left of the falcons. Yes, he gets out of the maserati that vic is driving now, that victor's driving, and he closed the door and he turns around, looks in the window of the maserati just to kind of check himself and fix the button on his coat, whatever it's just this movie does kind of like with his hair, check like he's really you know, he's sort of okay with who he is and, yeah, he's presenting himself to the world. But there's little quirks and things that Colin Farrell brings to it that a couple times made me laugh. You know which I think is intended. I think that's intentional.

Speaker 3: 30:09

I think so, although he brought up a couple of times like I guess he was drinking coffee during a break and because of the prosthetic nose that makes quite a profile picture, he couldn't sip the coffee, so he had to bend his nose and the guy said, oh, let's use that. And he was like, oh, no, we're not using that. Just get a straw for crying out loud, right? Do not make fun of the character. It's okay to have fun with the character, sure, but don't make fun of it Right, right, right yeah.

Speaker 2: 30:46

Great performance by Colin Farrell, fantastic. We'll see. Can't ask for better.

Speaker 2: 30:51

Yeah, we'll see where this goes. When this episode airs, we will be just days away from the second episode. So, um, if you have seen the first episode, or, uh, when you do see it, come back. Drop some comments on the video. Let us know what you think. Um, you know, did you? Did you like colin farrell's portrayal in the batman? Did you think he should have gotten, uh, more scenes than that, as, as colin farrell has said, he wished he had? But, yeah, um, but here you go. Now you've got eight episodes of nothing but all this cob.

Speaker 3: 31:21

And so you get your fill that way. Apparently, when they tested this for audiences, he tested just as high as Batman as far as likeability of characters.

Speaker 2: 31:32

Sure, and he was only in six scenes. Yeah, it felt the way that was spaced out in the batman. It felt a little bit more to me than it was and he was in the major chase scene yeah which is probably the the biggest climax of the movie fantastic car chase. Yeah, just uh. If you have access to it, go watch the making of that. It's just phenomenal. Well, there you go. Uh, mike, you're gonna. You're in for the long haul.

Speaker 3: 31:57

I'm in for it, and really I don't see Colin Farrell disappointing me. We'll see what the rest of the cast brings.

Speaker 2: 32:05

I don't either. Yeah, we'll see what they can bring and we may come back at the end of the series and give kind of a final assessment and see where we landed on this one. But that's going to do it for another episode of the Over the Podcast. I'm your host, dan Smith, long time, as always, my brother from the same mother, mike Smith, and we will see you next time. Bye everyone.

Speaker 3: 32:24

Wah, wah, wah, wah, wah. You can't win rock.